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Should abortion be legal or illegal and why?

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by Thadeus Quintus Lesbotron on January 9th, 2012
If it were illegal, those willing to supply the demand for abortion will go 'underground', leading to malpractice and lasting harm to their victims.
As with anything for which there is a demand, such as prostitution and illegal drugs, if those things are prohibitted, they will go underground and be regulated entirely by criminals, causing harm to society as a whole.
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by gberbasada on December 28th, 2011
LEGAL .... only the lunatics want it to be a criminal activity....
First and foremost .... Abortion is an option.... and a right open to every
pregnant woman or girl. No female should be forced to continue an unwanted pregnancy...

Another and totally different reason is the simple fact there are more than 7 BILLION humans on earth and the number increases hourly. There is no shortage of people! ... but there is a shortage of water and cultivatable land and fish in the sea .... and fresh air...
I often wonder ...."Does the right to life crowd serve VEAL or LAMB at their banquets?
For the uninformed both are the flesh of NEW BORN innocent animals.
We must be diligent in our efforts to guarantee the woman's right to choose abortion.
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- I think you are exaggerating - neither veal nor lamb is the product of newly born animals.
  
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  by Brian I on December 28th, 2011
- Lets take one step back and ask why, with all the available birth control available, are these women getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want kids? If they think they have an easy out with abortion, they might not be being as careful as they could be. Condoms are disposable, not babies.
  
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  by jaindough on December 28th, 2011
- You've taken two steps back ..... Lovemaking is an emotional reaction to petting etc.... and often the couple get carried away and
  go too far, or too fast and against their better judgement create
  a baby. This is just one scenario... there are many. And in
  most cases making a baby never entered their minds...
  My first G/F and I made love at least a thousand times from the 9th grade til graduation day and beyond. We sampled and rejected condoms yet never wanted to get her pregnant. We were lucky.... she never did.... But had she.... an abortion would have happened.
  The spontanous passions of lovers, particularly young lovers are strong and given into without thought of the consequences.
  
  We cannot legislate morality or dictate where how and when semen
  may travel.
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  by gberbasada on December 28th, 2011
- So people with no self control need abortion as a back-up? If it were illegal and she thought she'd be stuck with a baby to raise, that would prevent " going too far ". It was illegal when I grew up and there were way fewer accidental babies then than there are now that abortion as common as a pedicure.
  
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  by jaindough on December 28th, 2011
- My teenage G/F and l had unprotected sex a 1000 timws.... Not once did we ever even consider the real possibility of pregnancy.... I am willing to bet today's teens, although better informed, do the same.
  Little self control? ... yes.... but not with abortion in mind.
  There are more abortions now as in your youth ... and more cars and malls.... and PEOPLE!
  WE must not attempt to legislate morals or beliefs.
  
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  by gberbasada on December 28th, 2011
- Not legislate morals. We need to stop girls from getting knocked up when it's not only unnecessary with all the birth control available, but due to laziness, lack of pre-planning, stupidity, or whatever brilliant excuse you can think of. Unless she spreads for any guy on the first date, she should accept the fact that she's seeing someone and going to have sex and get herself protected. The planet can't support anymore people, and nether can the governments. Harsh reality that this generation will be paying for.
  
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by Thadeus Quintus Lesbotron on December 28th, 2011
Legal, because there's no way you could enforce a ban without forcing practitioners to go underground, back street abortionists have caused many women to bleed to death as a result of bothched procedures.
Making abortion illegal simply creates more problems and suffering.
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by gberbasada on January 9th, 2012
THE ABORTION ISSUE RAGES ON AND ON.... All sides convinced their belief is right. Yet its interesting that by far the most vocal and violent are the Right to Lifers.
Personally I am at a loss to understand how or why anyone can deny a female the right to control her reproductive organs.
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by katy2 on January 9th, 2012
Although I have never been in a position to consider abortion for myself (mind you, I was twice pregnant to the same man because of "pill" related issues; two months after we broke up, I found out I was 2 months pregnant with our second child - but I would never have even considered abortion as an "option"); I do not believe that it is up to me to judge anyone else, and their choices/decisions. We must each decide for ourselves what is best - and then accept that we have to live with the consequences of those choices.

Legal clinics are at least a far better option than attempting to perform it yourself; or risk using a "back yard abortionist" (think "Dirty Dancing").

I do live in Australia, so we don't seem to have the same issues as USA - where there have been bombings/threats etc against clinics.

IMO, people should not have the right to FORCE their beliefs onto others; especially not in a violent manner. To me, that behaviour makes those people no better than suicide bombers - actually worse; they are not even willing to die for their cause. The only deaths are innocent people.

Peace Truth and Love...:)
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- succinct is not in your vocabulary... although it should be... you do go on....
  
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  by gberbasada on January 9th, 2012
- Katy should allow your opinion to dictate her speech? I think not.
  
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  by canoeguide on January 9th, 2012
- Good answer Katy.
  
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  by Gingerminx on January 9th, 2012
- :) - thanks friends.
  
  @ gberbasada
  
  You have my permission to cease reading any my posts, if they are longer than a couple of lines...or to not read them at all. Isn't living in a democratic society wonderful?
  
  Peace Truth and Love...:)
  
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  by katy2 on January 10th, 2012
- You're welcome :)
  
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  by Gingerminx on January 10th, 2012
- Let it be known to all of you: an unborn child is not merely a mass of tissue it is, Living, Human and Innocent. one of the 6 things the Lord hates is "Hands that shed innocent Blood" (Proverb 6:17).....Peace be with you all.
  
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  by andy11-11 on January 11th, 2012
- Wrong. Again. Still.
  
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  by canoeguide on January 11th, 2012
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by Shania on October 27th, 2010
Legal: My body, my choice.
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by Im Alec on January 9th, 2012
I think it is a good thing that it is legal. Leaving aside the moral question, it is a fallacy that making something illegal makes it go away. See, for example, drugs. When abortion was illegal, pregnant women went to back street abortionists or tried to produce an abortion themselves, with horrendous results. You don't have a choice between abortions or no abortions. You have choice between safe abortions and unsafe abortions.
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by Banana Breath plays the piano on January 9th, 2012
In a perfect world everyone would receive a reversible sterilization in their youth. To have it reversed you'd have to apply for a license to have a child and pass psychological and knowledge tests indicating that you'd be a fit parent. This would avoid unwanted pregnancies and overpopulation. It's ironic that many people find this more distasteful than killing human babies.
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  by InnerSanctioned on January 9th, 2012
- And which government having such power would last long enough to enforce such a dictatorial mandate? Philosophers gave up on Plato's "ideal types" centuries ago; "perfect" is a human abstraction without representation in reality
  
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  by canoeguide on January 9th, 2012
- Hmm strange how we hold the exact same viewpoint
  
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by Gingerminx on December 28th, 2011
legal, they tried the illegal view and ended up with more women dying horrible deaths from backyard abortions.
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by DIYman Believes In Leonard Peltier on December 28th, 2011
Illegal, except in cases of rape or incest. Humans don't decide who lives and who dies. That's God's job!
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- you need to do some more thinking on this issue.... you believe only God can decide who lives and who dies, yet you say its ok for us to kill babies that are created during rapes and incest....very confusing....
  
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by 23Skidoo on December 28th, 2011
Legal and accessible without harassment.
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by Christine on July 2nd, 2010
Abortion is murder and should be illegal. The only reason anyone ever supports it is that no adult will ever again have to be an unborn child. It is easier to pretend that abortion is a cancer treatment than it is to take responsibility for our sexuality or to demand responsibility from others.

The usual arguments for abortion are easily dismissed:

(1) People claim that fetuses do not feel pain and have no concept of their future. If that justifies abortion, then painlessly killing people in their sleep is also justified. As long as society does not want a person, this argument would allow anyone to be killed in their sleep as long as it is done painlessly. People don't fear death only because it is painful. They fear it because it takes away their potential future life. Taking it away without their knowledge does not make it any less wrong.

(2) Abortions will keep happening anyway, and they will be more dangerous. The same is true of gang killings. If we gave gangs and crime syndicates the right to legally terminate their enemies using doctors, they'd be less likely to hurt themselves in the process. This argument says we should make more murder legal so that it is less dangerous.

(3) The birth control failed. Seventh grade health class! No birth control is 100%. If you enter a lottery where you know one of the possible outcomes is that you will be responsible for the life of a child, then you are responsible, even if the chances were only one in a million. (This applies to both parents, not just the mother.)

(4) Abortion reduces starvation, abuse, and neglect. So does genocide. People seem to forget that women cannot get pregnant without having sex, and that sex is a choice. It is not lack of murder that contributes to child abuse, child neglect, and starvation. It is sex without commitment that creates more children then we can care for comfortably.

(5) If a woman is raped, then she never chose the pregnancy. That's true, but that only highlights the seriousness of rape. The child is not the one at fault and should not have to die for what the father did. The answer to this problem is to stop letting rapists go free. In fact, any father who refuses to help support all the children he helped conceive should not go free either. They can't conceive anymore neglected children in prison, so that is where they belong.

(6) The mother's life is at stake. An operation that saves the life of the mother and as an unintended side effect causes the child to die should be legal. Patients and doctors have to make life and death decisions all the time, and should not be held liable for decisions made in good faith anymore than a homeowner should be held liable for killing an intruder in a true act of self-defense. This however only describes a small minority of cases. I only say the above in interest of compromise. I know that child birth kills more mothers than abortion, but for most people, having children is worth the risks. I think it is worth the risks, and people who don't want that risk should refrain from having sex until they are no longer able to have children.

(7) Abortion is all about women's rights. Actually, abortion allows neglectful fathers to go free. Almost every abortion is at least 50% the fault of the father, and unless he married her and contributed his share of time and resources, he's just as much a murderer as the woman getting the abortion and the doctor who helped her. If anything, he is the worst of all. At least the woman who killed her child feels what she did. Neglectful fathers don't feel anything. They are the darkest form of evil.

Women have a moral right to choose whether or not to have sex, when, and with whom. They also have the moral right to the father's share of time and resources in raising her children. The idea that murder is a woman's right is pushed by men and women who want to have sex without accepting its responsibilities. The earth is too crowded to let that continue.
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- The next time you have an idea, keep it to yourself. ...
  or send your book length rambling to a publisher not to AB
  
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  by gberbasada on December 28th, 2011
- You really think I should publish it? Thank you! =)
  
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  by Christine on December 29th, 2011
- Publish that worn out and ridiculous philosophy? I was making fun of your long winded and illogical conclusions.
  
  for example ... You turn the woman's right of choice into another attack on irresponsible fthers.
  
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by Banjo52 on November 6th, 2008
abortion is murder, why is it O K to kill a baby that has done nothing wrong? God creates life, so why should we end it before it has a chance to grow?
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- well, according to scientific research, during the stages of abortion there is no baby, there is no life. All it is, is a bunch of cells that have not developed into anything.
  
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  by dreblanco on November 6th, 2008
- You can rationalize anything by saying Science does it this way, but that does not make it real. Science is mans way of tring to understand Gods works.
  
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  by Banjo52 on November 7th, 2008
- god doesn't make babies, people with functioning penises and vaginas do.
  
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  by Anonymous on November 9th, 2008
- God Doesnt Make Mistakes Either ! : ) So Abortion Should Be illeqal !
  
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  by Sarcastically_Gorgeous on October 27th, 2010
- God kills more or as much as he creates. Just read the bible.
  
  http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
  
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by sweetielowe on January 9th, 2012
I don't agree with abortion so personally i'd like it to be illegal. Yes of course women would find a way anyway, but perhaps making it harder to attain would make them a little more careful to not get pregnant in the first place.
In developed countries that has so much contraption available it always amazes me how many women get pregnant (and those that get pregnant one are more likely to have repeat abortions). Nobody likes to actually admit they are using it as contraception but negligence of prevention is the same thing.
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by guirion on January 9th, 2012
To me abortion is a non issue.
The supreme court of the United States has ruled it legal so it doesn't matter what anybodies opinion is. I think it's funny that people vote for a politician on the basis of which side of the abortion coin they stand when no one has the authority to reverse the courts decision anyway.
Personally I don't agree with the way it's being used as a method of birth control.
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by surfbiker on December 28th, 2011
Just like inside trading, legal for congress only!
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by Wynper on December 28th, 2011
Legal and seldom used.

A start to fewer abortions? Teaching both boys and girls to value themselves, comprehensive sex education, access to healthcare and birth control.
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by BLUE LOTUS 935618 on December 28th, 2011
legal. because of the abuse rates. and because of the numbers of children who end up in child services... and end up becoming homeless because they don't know how to survive...

i think that if we can prevent one child from spending 7 years in an abusive home. we've done our job.

and for those of you who say abortion is wrong.. why aren't you out there adopting more children.. why aren't you out there building housing for children who are parentless..

why can't people think about the baby. you should only have a baby if you think you can keep and support and love the baby.

i'm all for what japan does..

but yes. i see that killing a baby something so small and so innocent and blameless for being alive.. it shouldn't be hurt. so why don't you try to prevent it. if you don't like abortion. don't let your kids have to be alone in their life to where they get one behind your back. be there for them. do something don't just say.

teach them about birthcontrol. teach them about emotions getting in their mind. and their hormones. just sit down and talk to them. even if they don't want to hear it. talk to them. if they don't want to hear it. buy them a book. a book is just as educational as your mouth.

but remember... take them to a clinic. and let them see the STD book. make sure that if your child is going to be sexually active. they will think about sleeping with someone twice when they see the realism of life.

tell them that there are people out there who will hide things like HIV. and end up passing it on. or may not even know they just got it and may be in the process of getting it and then they sleep with the child and they end up with it too.

you know saying abortion should be illegal is one thing. but acting like it should be illegal is another. try to remember this.

kids as young as 12 years old are starting to sleep around. 4th graders are starting whore rumors. it happens. don't think that it can't happen to your child.. because kids are just kids. they don't know how to react in the center of attention from their little boy and girl friends..

now a days we have girls peer pressuring their friends to sleep with their boyfriends because they honestly think "oh he'll love you more if you prove it"

it happens.

set an example. don't just talk about making abortion illegal
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by White Nights on December 28th, 2011
legal
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by NotSuspiciousAtAll on December 28th, 2011
Legal.
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by trueservantminn on December 28th, 2011
Its murder and should be banned..
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- So is killing cows, chickens, pigs, etc. for food. Should we all become vegans?
  
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  by mrinsane7066 on December 28th, 2011
- We could probably get away with just being lacto-vegetarians, rather than full-on vegans.
  
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  by NotSuspiciousAtAll on December 28th, 2011
- You cannot compare a life of a beast like animal, to that; "which is used for food consumption" over that of a HUMAN LIFE...Please clarify your priorities, of that of an animal to that of a human being.. God bless'
  
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  by trueservantminn on December 28th, 2011
- No less than you can compare an insentient clump of cells to a living, feeling self-aware human.
  
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  by NotSuspiciousAtAll on December 28th, 2011
- At least half of all human fertilizations do not go on to full-term pregnancies; this makes your god the greatest murderer of all time.
  
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  by canoeguide on December 28th, 2011
- So anyone in a coma no longer deserves protection under law either? Abortions kill much more than an 'insentient clump of cells'. Do your research before making such insentient statements.
  
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  by LarryH54 on December 28th, 2011
- call it whatever you like... if that makes you feel good..
  But you're so wrong and so uninformed of the rights of a woman.
  
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- And you are equally wrong and uninformed of the reality of the child's humanity.
  
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  by LarryH54 on December 28th, 2011
- The old trap of confusing medical and legal terminology; you'll get no help from either lawyers or doctors with that approach.
  
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by Czar_K on April 3rd, 2011
It's the woman's body, not that of some unproved god. The god in the bible is a killer: http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
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by aiar on January 9th, 2012
Abortions are a sad conclusion to a wondrful event - the govt has no right to make these decisions!
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by Caitherine on January 9th, 2012
It's a good thing that it is legal. There are a lot of reasons for having an abortion and many of them value for the health of the society and as well as personal reasons. For example, deformed and defective people that would be a drain on society and be unable to give back nothing. Personal reasons ranging from simply not wanting it and not wanting to ruin their figure or birth control failure. It sould not be a political agenda nor a religious one. It should just be a procedure of a personal nature conducted between a woman and her doctor.
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by Sodapop on January 9th, 2012
Why is this in the LGBT Civil And Legal Rights section?

I have no problem with abortion. It's completely up to the couple or in some cases the individual. I have no right to impose any opinion on the matter. I'm not having children. This isn't a topic that will ever affect me.
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by Sarcastically_Gorgeous on October 27th, 2010
Please Join My Disscussion On Abortions Well Both
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by INLOVE on October 27th, 2010
illegal, its basically like murder i dont agree with abortion i think its reallyyy selfish this is my opinion.... its like murdering someone innocent.. your ownn child!!!
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by Gingerminx on January 9th, 2012
Legal.
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by InnerSanctioned on January 9th, 2012
The legality of abortion is suitable for those in favor of it, medical specialty and care must be propery administered, which in sight of illegal premise technicality, precision and viability would be absent.. yes it is a "good thing" that it is legal and as far as abortion itself I am in high favor of it
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by NotSuspiciousAtAll on January 9th, 2012
Legal and encouraged. Get yours today!
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- And don't throw out those fetuses. Did you know they make good dog food and fertilizer?
  
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by tfranchise2k on January 9th, 2012
It should stay legal from now until the end of time. If a person makes the mistake of getting pregnant then they shouldn't have to deal with that problem for the rest of their lives and the child would probably suffer as well besides the planet is already over crowded and there's plenty of starving/suffering people all over that would've been better off being aborted by their ignorant parents.
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by The Doctor of Computer Forumz on December 28th, 2011
Not everything that is immoral is illegal. Legal or illegal is not the issue.
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by jaindough on December 28th, 2011
With all the different kinds of birth control and information readily available, there is NO excuse for unplanned pregnancies, so Illegal! Except in cases of traumatic conception, of course.
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by LarryH54 on December 28th, 2011
Abortion should not be addressed by law at all. It is a medical procedure, not a legal one. IF you insist on making it a legal issue, then it should be illegal. Society is judged by how it treats its most helpless members. Who is more helpless? The adult woman carrying the child, or the child him/herself?
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by ms_chuck.littles on December 28th, 2011
illegal cuz it's murder, but when ppl cant afford it they give up for adoption and then the kid lives in a foster home til it's 18 and goes out into the real world all f*cked in the head. and then prolly will start doing drugs and kill ppl (worse case scenario)
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- You are confusing legal and medical terms.
  
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- what's the medical terms? I must of missed it.
  
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by trueservantminn on January 9th, 2012
ITS MURDER..
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- Canoe, I have just about given up trying to explain that.
  
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  by Gingerminx on January 9th, 2012
- The honest ones will go and check.
  
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  by canoeguide on January 9th, 2012
- Hopefully.
  
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by TK9Claire on January 9th, 2012
I don't agree with abortion, and could never go through it myself. HOWEVER, it is not the government's place to make such decisions for you. It is up to each individual. So, even though I'm against abortion, I'm more against governmental restrictions on personal choice.
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by Thinker on December 28th, 2011
I do not believe in abortion I believe it is wrong and against the word of God. However, the alternative is just as bad if not worse. Back alley abortions are dangerous and too many women have died in those illegal abortion mills.

Both are bad so it is a toss up most of the time. Birth control must be made more available for free and made available easier along with proper education. Make abortion no longer a method of birth control.

One of my daughters had several abortions. When she married and wanted to have children she had a very difficult time carrying her babies. She lost 7 or 9 but was finally able to keep two by total bed rest for about 8 or her 9 months.
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by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on April 3rd, 2011
legal, a woman's body should be governed by her own wishes.
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by canoeguide on January 9th, 2012
Abortion is not of itself "a good thing." Its availability as a legal and safe medical procedure as opposed to back alley butchery is a good thing. There are certain questions which can be counted on to be repeated at fairly regular intervals here just for the sake of stirring the pot. This is one of those questions and this is one of those repetitions.
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