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by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on November 3rd, 2008

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Just read an article from an employee who required regular drug tests to get paid his salary. His point:--if he had to do this why shouldn't welfare people, etc, have to do the same to get a government cheque. I am not sure this would work..your idea(s)?

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  • by Im Alec has abandoned this account on November 3rd, 2008

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    I think such tests should only be administered on those for whom it is necessary for their job. Therefore it is quite OK to administer such tests to pilots, drivers etc, who must be 100% fit. For other people, such as office workers, I do not think it appropriate to administer tests. In those cases, you should judge by performance. If someone smokes pot or drinks at home, but is able to do a good days work, then I think it is none of the employer's business what goes on out of yours.

    By my argument, therefore, it is not of the government's business what people on welfare do out of hours UNLESS they are failing to get jobs because of that behaviour.

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  • by Scifisuz on November 5th, 2008

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    One is an employment contract he entered into voluntarily. The other is a government subsidy.

    What would happen to the welfare person who failed the test? Cut off benefits?
    Vagrancy? Crime? Theft? Burglary? more of a financial burden on the taxpayers.

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  • by Scrappy on November 3rd, 2008

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    this has been argued to death. how much does a drug test cost? more than the "assistance" most welfare rec. are getting. and what about those on pescription meds. Most of those will show cocaine or something so they will require special people to go thru EVERY person's drugs they are taking on a monthly basis, and decide that yes, this drug is the reason it's showing positive..if a person has been in the hospital and had one shot of pain meds..it will show on a drug test for months.. that will require MORE money for looking at medical records, etc.. All this will require people who know EVERY ingredient in meds (scientist per say)..how much do they cost..how many hours is that of work.. ??? Plus, you are getting into privacy issues. It is nobody's business what drugs I take, why I was in the hospital, etc. You are looking at spending $500-1000 per person per month for $200 worth of assistance. Great plan till you start looking at the in depth of it and what it WILL actually cost and then is it really worth it?

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  • by Anonymous on November 3rd, 2008

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    What a great idea! Yes of course that would be fair. We have every right to expect that tax payer money is not supporting some ones drug habit.

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  • by Sid on September 28th, 2009

    Sid

    I agree with what Scifisuz says, and also as I'm Alec says apart from certain jobs as long as you do your job to a good standard the day after it should be of no concern to your employer what you were up to the night before. I only know one person who is drug tested as part of his job, so by drug testing EVERYONE on welfare you are stigmatising them. This would only be fair if everyone in employment was also drug tested.

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  • by LT_Aldo_Rain on April 1st, 2012

    LT_Aldo_Rain

    obviousely you have the small minded idea that everyone on welfare is a drug adict abusing the system and stealing "your" tax dollars

    news flash, most of the people abusing the welfare system are tobacco and alcohol addicts, not illegal drug addicts

    sure there are some but they are a negligible percentage
    so given that the use for which the welfare funds are misappropiated is a legal one, the only thing you have on them is the possibility of welfare funds being used to buy tobacco oe alcohol
    which brings the need to PROVE in each case that the welfare abuser actually purchesed the offending substances with moneys slated for food and housing.

    so what, you propose detectives following every welfare recipiant 24/7 to see if they sell their food stamps?
    and when they send a family member to do it while the detective follows them? guess your going to need more detectives.

    the only real solution to welfare is to get the recipients employed.
    welfare to work doesn't work because it has to many opportunities to "fail" to find work.

    i mean really, you just have to show you tried to find work with x many jobs per week and in some cases attend work seminars or government run "jobs" with limited hours and poor supervision.

    someone lazy enough to suck uncle sams teat for years will chose a part time job over a full time one and will deliberately screw up their chances of being hired from all the applications they put in

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  • by cheerio on September 28th, 2009

    cheerio

    Crime would go up.

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  • by LT_Aldo_Rain on April 1st, 2012

    LT_Aldo_Rain

    obviousely you have the small minded idea that everyone on welfare is a drug adict abusing the system and stealing "your" tax dollars

    news flash, most of the people abusing the welfare system are tobacco and alcohol addicts, not illegal drug addicts

    sure there are some but they are a negligible percentage
    so given that the use for which the welfare funds are misappropiated is a legal one, the only thing you have on them is the possibility of welfare funds being used to buy tobacco oe alcohol
    which brings the need to PROVE in each case that the welfare abuser actually purchesed the offending substances with moneys slated for food and housing.

    so what, you propose detectives following every welfare recipiant 24/7 to see if they sell their food stamps?
    and when they send a family member to do it while the detective follows them? guess your going to need more detectives.

    the only real solution to welfare is to get the recipients employed.
    welfare to work doesn't work because it has to many opportunities to "fail" to find work.

    i mean really, you just have to show you tried to find work with x many jobs per week and in some cases attend work seminars or government run "jobs" with limited hours and poor supervision.

    someone lazy enough to suck uncle sams teat for years will chose a part time job over a full time one and will deliberately screw up their chances of being hired from all the applications they put in

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