Why would any god desire to keep a mother from seeing her son get married? How can any so called christian faith condone this? Mormon temple marriage.

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• You notice the g is lower case. Because it is not a proper name but a noun. God would never condone such an misuse of his authority to wed someone. I have no angst with God.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 3rd, 2008

• then direct your anger at the Mormons...

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  by Kiwi from NZ on November 3rd, 2008

• You obviously haven't read many of this user's posts here. That is about all she is about. Directing her anger at us.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on November 3rd, 2008

• Her very User ID is an expression of her hatred for us.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on November 3rd, 2008

• Glen, instead of name calling. Why don,t you explain why any god would create a religion or condone one that kept the parents from seeing there children wed?

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 3rd, 2008

• The child about to go through the ceremony is the one to blame. That child has opted, as an adult, to go through a marriage ceremony that (apparently) is closed to one of the parents. Why blame God? Why blame the Mormons? It’s the child who opted to get married there. They could have gone to a Christian church, or a Jewish Synagogue, or a Buddhist temple where non-adherents are not barred from attending the ceremony. However, the child opted for a ceremony with the Mormons. Their rules about marriage pre-date this particular ceremony, so if the child is opting to seek the Mormons out to conduct the ceremony then any bitter parents need to direct their anger/bitterness/angst at that child for knowingly making that choice.

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  by Cong on November 3rd, 2008

• I don't answer, Lola, because you really don't want an answer. You have shown time and time again that you don't really want to understand what we believe and why. You only want to revel in your hatred for what we believe. Your very choice of UID and avatar shows your contempt for us. So, you fall into the very warning that the Savior gave, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7: 6. When you treat people's beliefs with contempt, don't be surprised if they don't want to answer your questions.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on November 3rd, 2008

• bLAH BLAH, SO YOUR GOD HAS COMMENDAED THAT FAMILIES BE TORN APART ON A GLORIUOS DAY SUCH AS A WEDDING. That is very sad glen

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 3rd, 2008

• MEMBERS ARE TOLD TO LEAVE THEIR FAMILIEAS AND CLEAVE TO THE CLAN, HOW IS THIS CHRISTIAN GLEN?

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 3rd, 2008

• CAPS LOCK STUCK, LOLA? ;-)
   
  Seriously, though…. First of all, there is no way any member of the Church of Jesus Christ would be instructed to “leave [his or her] famil[y] and cleave to the ‘clan’,” as you put it. The Church only exists to support the family; to suggest anything less is not only ridiculous but blasphemous.
   
  Secondly, you’re right that individuals do sometimes alienate themselves from their families, as you seem to have to done to your son. My grandfather (who was neither member of the Church of Jesus Christ nor active in any other denomination) did this same thing to his brother, the Baptist minister. This is what Christ was referring to when he said:
   
     “I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and
      the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own
      household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth
      son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:35-37,
      http://tinyurl.com/matt10-34).
   
  Sounds to me like your son loves the Savior more than he loves you, which is exactly how the Bible says it should be. Shouldn’t you be happy about that?

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  by the Otter on November 3rd, 2008

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• nice copout

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 5th, 2008

• I'm sorry that you feel it is a cop-out answer. It is my experience, I was just sharing it. It put things into perspective for me. I was angry for a long time because my parents were unable to see me married in the Temple. I just felt like my mom did a great job showing what it is really about: living out the promises made behind those sacred walls.

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  by rachelloveswade on November 5th, 2008

• Rachell, I assumed your story was like many many LDS responses. In that it was a lie and or madeup response. It is appearent that yours is true and from the heart. And since it was, this unvalidates and deems my response as callist. Your reaction was that of a loving woman with a big heart, not filled with hate or evil (just misled by a fraud). So I humbly (if that is a word) apologize for my assumption. My feelings about the Mormon church are very clear and rested in the truth of the bible, but we are all human and all have feelings. So once again, I am sorry

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 6th, 2008

• It seems as though you are the same caliber of a women that you deemed me, "loving woman with a big heart, not filled with hate or evil." Thank you for your response. (And apology accepted. It was an honest mistake, and could happen to anyone.) :)

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  by rachelloveswade on November 6th, 2008

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• My son is Mormon and hence is marriage will be in the temple (again not capitalized). Since we are not foolish enough to believe in LDS blasphimy, we are not allowed to witness this socalled "most high" event. This is the moment were they will be the closest to there god and all will be revealed to them. Unfortunetly, it is nothing but a sorrowful let down, as they will find out upon completion of this rediculous act. There is more of a spiritual feeling in a justice of the peace ceremony than what they are going to do. They will not even have a ring swap in this so called ceromony.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 3rd, 2008

• You are allowed, it sounds like you chose not to because you find it foolish. I'm Christian and I've attended civil ceremonies, Jewish ceremonies and 2 wiccan ceremonies. I see no conflict. God doesn't forbid watching ceremonies.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on November 3rd, 2008

• I am not allowed. I did not choose. Only those who have a temple recommmand are allowed. They can not have a civil ceromony nor anyother wedding ceromony. If they do, before there temple marriage, than they are showing that they feel the temple marriaige is not sufficient (this is what they are told by thier bishop). If they have one afterwards, they are told that they can not enter the temple for 365 days. "cause once again the temple was not sufficient. This is designed so as to appear to make the temple more important than it is and to be a ploy to convert family members so they can attend.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 3rd, 2008

• I see. I thought I had attended a mormon wedding...apparently mormons often choose to hold a "ring ceremony" for those who do not qualify to enter the temple. This is what I attended and was quite nice. Then there was a reception. It seemed pretty much like any other wedding.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on November 3rd, 2008

• lola, I truly am sympathetic—I saw my parents go through this same thing—but lashing out with unfounded charges isn’t going to help anything, here. New converts generally aren’t endowed until at least a year after baptism, so they wouldn’t be able to attend the wedding unless it were still over a year away. Conversely, couples are encouraged to have short engagements—read: six months or less—so as to avoid unnecessary temptation. In other words, if it were a ploy to get people baptized, the success rate would be pretty dang close to 0%. The temple is indeed an incredibly sacred place, and while I truly feel for you, the “restriction,” for lack of better term, really is for our own good. As the scriptures repeatedly say, “line upon line, precept upon precept.” :-)
   
  Lori, you’re right about the ring ceremony. This tradition is designed to allow the couple’s friends and family to participate in the wedding, even if they (as you put it) “don not qualify to enter the temple.” This ceremony is an act of love, designed to help avoid and/or heal the very hurt feelings that lola is understandably harboring. While my parents were probably just as hurt as lola, by my decision to marry in the temple, it was never meant to be an indication that I was somehow “better” than they; I simply wanted the incomparable blessings of an Eternal marriage, and the temple is the only place where this ordinance can be performed. At the ring ceremony, I had the opportunity to publicly express this to them—an act that seemed to heal all wounds, almost instantly.
   
  HTH!

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  by the Otter on November 3rd, 2008

• ouch...did I put an extra "n" after do...lol

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on November 3rd, 2008

• ouch… no, I did. :-P    oops!

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  by the Otter on November 3rd, 2008

• LOL...well better you than me. ;)

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on November 3rd, 2008

• Talk of a ring ceremony as "traditional" makes me smile - I've never been to one and they've really become accepted only within the last twenty years or so as a response to the reality "on the ground" that lots of people have part member families and feelings get hurt over exclusion from the temple ceremony. By the book they're not supposed to be an alternative wedding with vows, etc., but a lot of liberties are taken. Interestingly, this is really only an issue in North America. In most countries all weddings are civil then you have a church (or temple) ceremony in addition to the governmentally binding one. Rachaelloveswade's mom's comments are worth remembering - she has a better perspective than most people. What ultimately matters is how they live the rest of their lives, not a 30 minute ceremony wherever it occurs.

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  by Anonymous on November 3rd, 2008

• I would point out, nothing is stopping them from having a civil wedding if they want. They can be sealed after the fact (in North America they have to wait a year first) and they are every bit as much "sealed" in the eyes of the church as anyone else. They want to be sealed from day one? That's ultimately their decision, and one which deserves some respect in the light of holding to their principles and doing what they believe is right. Bitterness and stress isn't going to make anything better.

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  by Anonymous on November 3rd, 2008

• ok so im doing some research on the whole Mormon thing (my bf is mormon) and i just want to know what the big difference is between "being sealed" or having a marriage in the temple that is supposedly an "eternal marriage" is different from a wedding where a unity candle is lit "sealing" the marriage and making it "eternal"

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  by Dezimae is FINALLY 21 on November 4th, 2008

• You might want to ask that as a question. You'll get more responses than in this comment thread. Good luck.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on November 4th, 2008

• yeah thats what i was gonna do but i figured i might as well attempt it there. haha.

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  by Dezimae is FINALLY 21 on November 4th, 2008

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• +3 ponits

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 3rd, 2008

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• thats just nonsense. Well from my point of view anyways.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 14th, 2008

• But, of course, it is. I wouldn't expect otherwise

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  by Mephistopheles on November 15th, 2008

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• See, that's the problem with a cult such as this & catholicism! They insist on running every aspect of Ur Life unlike True Christianity which is centered on Christ!!! John

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  by Moosemose on November 3rd, 2008

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• If they were that susceptible to persuasion were they mature enough to make their own decisions about being married? It seems you are bitter that they followed their own conscience instead of what you would have them do. Bitterness and anger is your own choice.

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  by Anonymous on November 3rd, 2008