by ChillWinterheart on December 18th, 2006

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If it was possible for angels, the example of pure goodness, to become pure evil [think Lucifer] then is it also possible for a devil to revert back to pure goodness?

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  • by Roger Kovaciny on December 18th, 2006

    Roger Kovaciny

    Well, if you believe in angels and devils on the basis of Scripture, then the answer is simple: No. They are all predicted to be evil forever and punished for that reason. They are also without possibility of redemption, because they have no redeemer. The book of Hebrews specifically says that Jesus didn't take on the nature of angels so as to become their savior, the way he took on the nature of humankind to become its savior.

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  • by JAMMco... its complicated... on March 15th, 2007

    JAMMco... its complicated...

    Since they were not kicked out of heaven until Jesus took his role as King of God's Heavenly Kingdom, they had all that time to repent and change their behavior.

    At that point they were judged by Jesus (whose authority it was granted to Judge) and booted out of heaven to await their destruction. They have been sentenced, they now wait for the execution. It's too late now, they should have thought about that before. They had the same knowledge that Satan had, therefore were different than humans were when they first sinned and opposed God, they were tricked but made a bad choice. Angels weren't tricked, they had access to all the information and they still made thier choices.

    The bible talks about Satan entering in before God in heaven when addressing the topic of Job's faith, this was well after he already had opposed God. The angels that took human form during Noahs day, they left their human form during the flood and returned to heaven, and had chances to change their behavior.

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  • by nevets - badgicide on March 15th, 2007

    nevets - badgicide

    Note: This question has been posted in the Religions » Satan category, not the Christian category.


    Q1) If it was possible for angels, the example of pure goodness, to become pure evil?
    Not accrding to Judaism.


    Q2) Is it also possible for a devil to revert back to pure goodness?
    I think the problem here lies in your translation and concept of Satan.
    Here is an alternative point of view: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/113991/

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  • by bolilla on March 15th, 2007

    bolilla

    xena; she went evil and then came back to goodness, through her deeds. yes, i know. i'm a dork.

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  • by EyePod on March 15th, 2007

    EyePod

    I don't know but it would make a hell of a good book.start writing my friend and give me some points

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  • by tigueron on December 18th, 2006

    tigueron

    theoretically yes, they can go back to be good, I don't know if they can be awarded wings.

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  • by Norman_Outside the lines on December 18th, 2006

    Norman_Outside the lines

    well, lucifer was cast from heaven by the lord.

    i doubt that anyone would be cast out of hell?

    ( just a thought ! )

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  • by unknown on March 15th, 2007

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    Angels are not examples of pure goodness in the bible, only God is. The angels who rebelled against God did not repent and so were cast out of heaven. We are not told if any tried to repent and were spared or or if they were cast out anyway for committing an unforgivable sin. We have the chance to repent but only up to a certain point. God will allow our hearts to become so hard that we will no longer be able to ask for and receive forgiveness. Pharoah's heart was an example of a hardened heart. He may at sometime have been able to say, "Yes, I have treated God's people poorly and will let them do what God demands of them." We are not given those details. We do know that God eventually had enough of his stubborness and hardened his heart pass the point of forgiveness and used him to glorify His greatness. Annanias and Saphira in the New Testiment were not given a chance to seek forgiveness for lying to the Holy Spirit. Again we are not privy to what went on in their hearts before they committed the sin. I think these examples are put in the bible to remind us that continued rejection of God's word will eventually lead down a path that we cannot return from.

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  • by bow2thelord on December 18th, 2006

    bow2thelord

    no satin is sin

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  • by Noah18 on July 20th, 2007

    Noah18

    There is no such thing as Pure Good, and Pure Evil. If there was they could'nt change between the other. There are only individual beings with Choices. Satan for example made the Choice to deny God after knowing him. Therefore his punishment is eternal Torment or separation from God. There is no going back for that kind of Choice, for he knew god, his Choice, and made that choice. Satan and the 1/3 of heaven made a choice, in which they cannot return to god no matter if they change, because they have to live with their consequences.

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  • by Bluerose on March 16th, 2007

    Bluerose

    Personaly, I think it all comes down to positive and negative thinking. So many just refuse to get how important this is. We can create Heaven and Hell on Earth from our thoughts.

    Yes. Everuything can be made good with right thinking.

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  • by Nellie Wise Gamgee on March 15th, 2007

    Nellie Wise Gamgee

    yes

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  • by Metaphiz on March 15th, 2007

    Metaphiz

    I don't believe that that which is "pure goodness" can ever be anything else but. Nor do I follow the doctrine that Lucifer was ever an angel.

    To answer your question; No. A devil cannot be good any more than darkness can ever be light, or hatred can ever be love.

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  • by singwell-is off researching a lot on March 16th, 2007

    singwell-is off researching a lot

    As a human being, I would like to think that no one is beyond redemption, but, I have to agree with Jesus when he speaks of the unforgiveable sin:(Matthew 12)
    Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see.
    23 All the people were astonished and said, Could this be the Son of David?
    24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.
    25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
    26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
    27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.
    28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
    29 Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
    30 He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
    31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
    33 Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognised by its fruit.
    34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
    35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
    36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
    37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.
    ==============
    From this we can draw several important points:
    1) Jesus was doing miracles that were so good in nature that people were praising God
    2) the Pharisess present said that the miracles actually came from Satan
    3) Jesus then talks about the unforgivable sin as being beyond all sins that people usually commit...he is clearly referring to something that the Pharisees have said:what is it?
    It is actually seeing the hand of God and saying that it is the hand of Satan ie being so hard hearted that your values are completely upside down, and you give Satan the glory for God's work.

    Since Satan is the author of this lie, then clearly he has committed the unforgivable sin...he is past the point where he can, himself, turn around and say: sorry.
    There may have been a point early in history where he could have repented and been restored, but that point is long past.

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  • by mekare on March 16th, 2007

    mekare

    i suppose he could but the arrogant nature that turned him in the first place would probably prevent it.

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  • by rockme on March 15th, 2007

    rockme

    lol, i've heard of stranger things happening.

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  • by Leviz007 on April 17th, 2007

    Leviz007

    Satan's already been judged & sentenced. He is the son of perdition, meaning he's already been sentenced to die. He's just waiting for God to finish the testimonies of His children... to which he still has a part to play.

    This world is a testimony of a former world...
    The books in Heaven have already been written for this world.

    Eccl:1:9: The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

    We're reliving our part in Satan's rebellion against God. God calls us accordingly by the love we've shown Him before we were born into this world.

    Rom:8:30: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    Jer:1:5: Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

    Jn:3:3: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    The Nephilim of Genesis 6 came to earth from heaven. They didn't take the route of conception.

    This world will end with the rebellion, the same as the first world did.

    No... is the short answer to your question.

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  • by AntigoneRising on July 23rd, 2007

    AntigoneRising

    The only groups who think that the devil/Lucifer/Satan (whichever you wish to refer to Him as) is pure evil are Christians and Muslims. In Judaism, the Temptor works for Yahweh. To most of us, He doesn't exist outside of an archetype/metaphor/allegory, and to many of us it isn't Satan who is evil and Yahweh who is good in the myth. One can easily see how a being created to be a slave would rebel against complete tyranny.

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