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| Display name: | Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete |
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| Location: | Eastern WA - America The best country on earth |
| Website: | http://blog.mrm.org/ |
| Date joined: | August 2nd, 2008 |
| Last seen: | February 16th, 2012 |
| About me: | Mosiah 8:9 9 And for a testimony that the things that they had said are true they have brought twenty-four plates which are filled with engravings, and they are of pure gold . Not alloy or a mixture, but pure gold. Thanks Antipas!!! Stormarm presents an awesome argument for truth of Christianity and Jesus Christ  How to recognize you're in a cult http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6LLV3fkXg&feature=player_detailpage Cults: They make you feel "special" like you are the chosen ones who out of all the heathens have the truth that God didn't reveal until 2000 or so years after Christ. That the church has apostatized and the cult leader they worship is the one who restored it. Every cult has the same story with a different leader. And they usually wield family ties and fear of excommunication as weapons and chains to keep the sheep faithful. ____________________________________________________________________ " How can I say I am truly repentant when I am certain I will sin again?." Are you repentant at the moment you seek forgiveness? If I sin (which I will, it is my nature as a human being) and than I ask God for forgiveness. He has promised me in his word (the bible) that he will separate me from that sin as far as the East is from the West. And he will remember it no more. The bible also states that God can not look upon sin in His Spirit nature. That is why God sent Himself to be manifested in Jesus Christ. So, what does this mean for you and I. A) I sin, God can not look upon me. B) I sin again and again. God still can not look upon me. C) I Ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness. At that exact moment and for that exact moment I am sinless. Wholly and completely, without sin. Yet this only lasts until I have any type of sinful thought. In other words probably a nano second. Yet for that nano second, all my sin is completely washed away by the Holy Spirit dwelling within me. D) Before "C", I really had little concept of sin. I did not really pay attention to it. Yet at "D" level, I am aware that sin exists and I am sinful. I am aware that I was given a gift from Jesus Christ. Forgiveness. Now what? E) I still sin, yet once I do it, I feel a stronger need to seek forgiveness. I feel a pain, knowing I have shamed my Lord and Savior. At this time and from the nano second from before, God can not look upon me, due to my sinful nature and life. F) So, I ask for forgiveness again. Once again, I become completely and wholly sinless. Because that is God's promise to me. Seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened, ask and it shall be given unto you. G) I will continue to sin, because I am human. God gave me a free will. A choice to either seek him or seek the desires of man. It is my prideful nature to seek self it is my Christian duty to seek God. "G" is pretty much the state of the rest of your life. The closer you get to God, the worse your sins will appear to you. The more God will convict your heart for the sins you have committed. Jesus will always be there as a mediator and a savior. He will wash your sin as many times as you ask him to. And each time, as far as God is concerned, you are a new creature in his eyes. A creature that is sinless and without stain. Does this mean you can go and commit any sins you want and than just ask forgiveness? Certainly not!!! I do not believe God or Jesus listens to our actual words. I believe they listen to our hearts and/or souls. Through the heart, the mouth speaks. If we are asking forgiveness without actual repentance, we are not asking forgiveness at all. And God knows that. Matthew 18:21-35 The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g] 23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[h] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. 26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. 28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. 29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’ 30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened. 32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. 35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.” -------------------- http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/21302 My definition of a cult, as applied to Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses and other none-Christian cults A group of people founded by a man or a women, who claim 1) to have new revelation from God, 2) additional information than the bible has to offer, new doctrine and theology. 3 group exclusivity (the only way to god is through the group) theirs is the only true church on earth. 4)members are essentially isolated from the outside world. They [posses an Us vs Them mentality. 5)Extreme persecution if a member attempts to investigate the cults history and or doctrine. One I found on the net A cult of Christianity is defined as... ...a group of people, which claiming to be Christian, embraces a particular doctrinal system taught by an individual leader, group of leaders, or organization, which (system) denies (either explicitly or implicitly) one or more of the central doctrines of the Christian faith as taught in the sixty-six books of the Bible. ____________________________________________ http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/9858149t How many of you believe you can be saved through faith alone (without works)? Eph 2 8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. The next verse mentions us being created by Christ unto "good works". Works are a result of salvation, not a requirement. Man has tried to work and earn his way to heaven his whole existence. It simply doesn't work that way. If salvation has happened to us, and we are truly one of God's children, good works WILL happen, there's no way it can't. If it doesn't, that person needs to reexamine his life and see if he/she is truly a Christian. If works could earn salvation, what would they possibly be? What things could we possibly do to earn favor with God? In OT times, sacrifices were a part of the process. But even in that, a person had to have true repentance in his heart, otherwise Cain's offering would have been sufficient. Really good question, by the way. answer posted by drequeen: http://www.answerbag.com/profile/873519 _______________________________________________ There are a number of other things that separate Christianity from Christian cults, yet these pretty much carry the weight. Don't look at their nice families, their clean-cut hair, and their friendly "missionaries." LOOK AT THEIR DOCTRINES! IRR CARM Video "Mormonism is based on the subjective 'intuition' of the individual (you'll 'feel the truth' of it, and if you don't, you're not open to God...) . It is a remarkably irrational non-Christian religion born of a remarkable man in 19th-century New York. In fact, Mormonism is built on some of the wildest and most outrageous assumptions I've ever come across." -- John Knutsen, Catholic Scholar Eisegesis is the approach to Bible interpretation where the interpreter tries to "force" the Bible to mean something that fits their existing belief or understanding of a particular issue or doctrine. People who interpret the Bible this way are usually not willing to let the Bible speak for itself and let the chips fall where they may. They start off with the up-front goal of trying to prove a point they already believe in, and everything they read and interpret is filtered through that paradigm. Stated another way, they engage in what the Bible refers to as "private interpretation". In the case of creation, if someone is already convinced that the pseudoscience of the religion of evolution has proven evolution to be true beyond a reasonable doubt, such persons typically will not approach Bible study on this issue with an open mind and let it speak for itself. Instead, they will engage in highly creative Bible interpretation to make all the irreconcilable conflicts between creation and evolution somehow fit with each other. For example, God went out of his way to define the creation "days" of Genesis as literal 24-hour days (see how long is a "day"). But in spite of this fact many well meaning but misguided Christians engaged in what can only be described as tortured Bible interpretation to try to somehow "make" those days into billions of years each. In the end, Eisegesis is an exercise that in most cases leads to wrong interpretation, and therefore improper applications of those verses in the person's life. I would like to add... I am a "perceiver", I see things very black and white. I understand on some issues there is a lot of GRAY area. Yet when it comes to the bible... it is all or nothing. I am a very conservative Christian, one who defends my Lord and Savior. If I were told by god directly to marry several woman, I would do just that. I would not fold to the government as did Brigham Young and the rest of the Utah Mormons. I would go to my death defending My Lord and Savior, the Mormons were told to practice polygamy by god and told not to by the federal government. Well, Utah became a state so I wonder who the Mormons listen to. If God told me to do something, I know it would be something that would not be offensive or illegal. Perhaps the Mormons do not have the same God as I do. If you want to believe Satanism - Wicca - Cows - what ever you want. That is your choice. You have the freedom to believe what ever you want. But, if you are going to call yourself a Christian, do not limit God to that of a progressed man. And do not alleviate yourself to that of God. Mormonism is the most blasphemies cult because the very foundation is based on Jesus, The Holey Spirit and God (Heavenly Father) all being different beings. Albeit with the same intent, yet different entities. They also believe that they will have eternal life as a god on there own planet, with many spirit wives. There god was once a man on another planet of Kolob, who progressed and was given this planet to populate. If you do not believe me, just do a simple search in Google. Mormon vs Christian Mormon doctrine exposed The god makers The best response I have had here on AB was the following... ________________________________________________________________________ the Otter has a technicolor dream COAT Nov, 25 2008 at 11:05 AM I always love that argument: the only people that accept the Book of Mormon as legitimate are active Latter-day Saints. Um, duh? It’s kind of impossible to view the Book of Mormon as being historically accurate without also accepting that it be a “supernatural” translation of an ancient document. I mean, think about it: I could logically view the Bible as containing accurate history and geography while still being an atheist, but the Book of Mormon doesn’t contain that luxury. If I accept the Book of Mormon as being historically and geographically accurate, I must also accept that it was revealed to Joseph Smith Jr. by supernatural means; there’s just no other reasonable explanation. *That’s* why there aren’t too many (if any) non–Latter-day Saints that accept the Book of Mormon as an historical document: those that *have* accepted it have pretty much all joined the Church! So anyway, you’re still claiming there’s zero external evidence for the Book of Mormon. What about the stuff I just linked you to? Thanks again. ________________________________________________________________________ Joseph was a fraud and the Eisegesis Nov, 25 2008 at 01:44 PM Thank you Otter, after 3 months of talking with you. You just made my case for me. I have been waiting for this moment. THANK YOU http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/4696740 http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/4757615 Joseph was a fraud and the Eisegesis Mar, 27 2009 at 04:58 AM So Christ, dying on the cross (not Gethsemane) was not sufficient for the Mormon god to Forgive murder? the Otter has a technicolor dream COAT Mar, 30 2009 at 05:54 PM Hey, JoeFraud. First of all, please do refer back to the dictionary definitions posted above. Remembering those definition, then with the exception of the word “Mormon,” your statement is exactly correct, for two reasons: first, of course Christ dying on the cross wasn't’t sufficient to atone for our sins. The cross was only half of the Atonement, the first half of which occurred at Gethsemane (much like baptism occurs in two parts). Secondly, forgiveness requires that one recompense, inasmuch as is possible, for the sin committed. *Pardon* is a completely covered by the blood of Christ. If that’s not Christianity 101, perhaps it’s 102? ________________________________________________________________________ |
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