Should we eat meat?

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• most animals do run faster, we just have better brains to figure out ways around their biological advantages.

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  by oiamhollywoodo on February 1st, 2011

• Then God would've made us stupider so we couldn't find a way to catch'em!

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  by LadybugKourt on February 1st, 2011

• i know you were bieng serious in this but i couldn't help but laugh you didn't specify god should have made 'animals' run faster, so it made it seem like you were saying meat should run faster x3

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  by JakeRawr on February 1st, 2011

• Actually, the pope is apparently a prairie dog.

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  by underpantsgnome on February 1st, 2011

• With your logic we should have sex with 11 year old girls because God made them reach fertility at that age. Just because something is natural or unnatural doesn't logically mean it is moral or ethical.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• Not all birds fly...
  
  And also, that's like saying if men weren't meant to rape women, God should have made women so they could run faster.

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  by megustamucho on February 1st, 2011

• "Just because something is natural or unnatural doesn't logically mean it is moral or ethical."
  
  Because ethics have nothing to do with logic. "Ethical" only means that something is in line with a set of beliefs common to an area, religion, profession, etc.... There are many places in the world that impregnating 11 year old girls and raping women is perfectly "ethical."

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  by underpantsgnome on February 2nd, 2011

• Where is it seen as ethical to rape women?

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  by megustamucho on February 2nd, 2011

• In some Muslims communities, for instance.
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rape-impossible-in-marriage-says-muslim-cleric-2106161.html
  http://www.wluml.org/node/5239
  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/02/bangladeshi-teen-dies-from-sharia-lashing-after-reportedly-being-raped/1
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7843909.stm
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/04/afghan-law-legalizes-rape-poses-problem-obama-clinton/
  
  But that is getting beyond my basic premise, namely that arguing for or against something on "ethical" grounds is utterly useless. If opposing parties have different sets of values, then of course something may be seen as perfectly "ethical" by one set while being "unethical" to the other party.

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  by underpantsgnome on February 2nd, 2011

• there is a great idea..set the animals free and only eat the ones you can catch.

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  by Weylon on February 2nd, 2011

• Aha! You didn't really take me seriously did you?
  But really though, all morality and ethics aside, I say this with honest sincerity - "Welcome to the food chain"! :)
  It happens to be a part of how mother nature works her miracle of life. Is anybody here willing to say she is wrong or made a mistake? Who knows? In our next life, we may be the animal that gets consumed by other beings! You never know...
  :p

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  by Inducted Kitty on February 4th, 2011

• Humans run pretty slow. What does that mean?

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  by cantyoureach on February 11th, 2011

• Yes, we do, but we have the advantages of the ability to think and disposable thumbs to the build traps that we think of to catch our prey. They are only given speed, which means that ultimately we will win.

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  by Inducted Kitty on February 11th, 2011

• we run faster than turtles... at least i can...
  thats true and all but consider this, animals eat other animals
  that being said its only natural for us to eat animals. I will only stop eating meat the day all sharks become vegetarians.

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  by TwinkleToesx on March 1st, 2011

• Yeah, but, the problem with that is sharks actually hunt for their food. They kill only when they need to eat and they don't raise animals in horrible conditions their whole lives only to kill them and have them end up in a freezer and possibly not even get eaten.
  
  Go out and start hunting like an animal would, then you can talk about being natural.

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  by cantyoureach on March 1st, 2011

• unlike sharks and other predators we are smart enought to breed animals, later slaughtering them to feed us humans.
  the reason why we freeze animals is because it slows the reproduction of bacteria, if we didn't freeze animals once dead than all would be thrown away uneaten

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  by TwinkleToesx on March 1st, 2011

• But the point you were making was about being natural, that's the point I was addressing. Slaughter houses are the furthest thing from natural, regardless of how "smart" you need to be to breed and slaughter animals.
  
  Just a side note, I don't see anything smart about inflicting unnecessary cruelty on countless lives, contributing to the destruction of the environment and pumping humans full of meat when they shouldn't be eating very much of it in the first place.
  
  Also you totally missed my point about the freezers. I wasn't saying we shouldn't put meat in freezers. I was saying we should kill on an as needed basis.

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  by cantyoureach on March 1st, 2011

• faire enough, yes in some cases it is cruel they do treat the animals poorly but there are also some farmers who treat their animals well, for example i know 2 farmers; one is an organic farmer who lets his chickens run around freely their entire lives and then kills them when their a certain age.. the other farmer keeps chickens in cages their entire lives until they get killed,
  this is a very cruel way to kill animals and i agree that it should be stopped but that does not mean that eating meat is a bad thing. if you choose to buy meat pick stop buying unorganic meat which is the caged chickens and buy organic or freerange meat i beleive its called.
  i know this is kinda long but as for the natural point you were making.. we've already destroyed most of nature for example any pets you have thats not natural, streets, cars, most transport is not natural... doesn't work

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  by TwinkleToesx on March 2nd, 2011

• Again, I am talking about factory farming, not organic farming. I also never said eating meat in general is a bad thing.
  
  Actually you made the natural point. I never said all unnatural things are bad. Factory farming is terrible in a million different ways, not being natural is just one of them.
  
  Also for the record, humans having pets is natural. http://www.science.psu.edu/news-and-events/2010-news/Shipman7-2010

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  by cantyoureach on March 2nd, 2011

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• to quote raven from teen titans when speaking to beast boy "I respect that you do not eat meat, please respect that I do not eat fake meat"

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 2nd, 2011

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• We are actually herbivores. If you study a humans physiology, you would discover that. You are more likely to be healthier just eating veggies, grains and fruits, nuts and seeds! You don't need meat to be healthy.

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  by Brian_K4654 on February 1st, 2011

• I have actually studied human physiology, at depth. Our ancestors were vegetarians, but whoever told you that humans are herbivores did not really know much about human physiology. We are omnivores, and have been for at least several million years. There are some items that we have lost the ability to synthesize, most importantly vitamin B-12, which we get from eating animal products or vitamin supplements.

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  by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on February 1st, 2011

• There are roughly 12 proteins that humans need to consume, 8 can be found in meat. Tofu contains all of those 8 proteins. Meat is not required to be consumed to live or thrive. In fact, a vegetarian is more likely than a meat eater to eat the recommended amount of protein per day.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• Vitamin b-12 is only synthesized by bacteria in animals or in fermentation tanks, which is where most vegetarians get the B12 from. What is amusing is that most of my Vegan friends are generally anti GM foods as well, but the bacteria that make the b-12 you have to take a supplement to remain alive are made by these genetically engineered organisms, meaning you are eating GM b-12. Also, every food humans eat is genetically modified from its wild state. As to meat, if you don't want to eat it, that fine with me. I will keep eating it though, I like to eat meat.

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  by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on February 1st, 2011

• There is no vitamin B12 deficiency in America, not even in the vegan community, and that is mainly because vitamin B12 is added to a lot of products like cereal and tofu. And you keep a 2 years reserve of this vitamin so the likelihood of deficiency is low.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• So what? You still cannot make b-12 yourself. Aside from that, I like to eat meat, and will continue to do so. As a biologist I recommend that people should eat meat based on the fact the we are omnivorous. I agree that American do not eat properly but that it is worse that they do not get enough exercise. If you get enough exercise it does not really matter what you eat as long as it is enough and it is varied.

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  by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on February 2nd, 2011

• red meat is also the most easily digested source of iron for humans. when my nose was bleeding regularly a doctor asked if I was a vegetarian by looking at my blood work. the reality was that I was losing 1 over a cup of blood per day and needed my nose carterized. iron CAN BE obtained from other sources but is it not so easily digested.

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 2nd, 2011

• Human evolution would not have progressed as it did if we had remained herbivores. What I do want to get is a list of all human herbivores because if it ever comes down to cannibalism for survival, it is well documented that primary herbivores taste better.

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  by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on February 2nd, 2011

• attributes of predators:
  forward set eyes
  teeth, claws, or tools (yes, many animals use tools)
  superior inteligence
  
  attributes of scavengers:
  extremely high immune systems
  moderately forward facing eyes
  great sense of smell
  
  atributes of grazers:
  wide angle vision
  mono or bicolor vision
  reactionary inteligence
  
  humans are not just omnivores, we are predatory omnivores.

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 2nd, 2011

• Well put, Hominan and TAPriceCTR.
  
  Several million years of human history belie the notion of humanity as a race of herbivores by nature.
  
  Most people confuse the realities of actual historical and archeological evidence with the ability for modern man to make a choice in eating habits based upon personal beliefs.
  
  Man is, historically, an omniverous species. However, that does not preclude people from making the choice to be vegetarians (herbivorous) by individual habit.
  
  Or carnivores, insectivores, or frugivores.
  
  So long as they are able to obtain all they need from their foods to sustain a healthy, balanced diet, so be it. However, exclusive diets often require suppliments for some nutrients, whether the come from occasionally straying off the diet or from modern suppliments.
  
  :):)

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  by The Chief on February 3rd, 2011

• not to PETA members... he said "INDIVIDUALS"

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 4th, 2011

• Heh!
  
  Interesting fact about Tofu, by the way: It's only been around as a food substance for a little over 2,000 years. So I seriously doubt our "caveman" ancesters were eating it tens of thousands of years ago.
  
  robinLA's argument/points about Tofu therefore do nothing to further anything about mankind being vegetarians by nature. You can't base an argument that mankind is meant to be a vegetarian because he eats something now that didn't exist as recently as 2,200 years ago.
  
  :):)

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  by The Chief on February 4th, 2011

• Homiman is quite correct, humans are omnivores, zoologists know it, PeTA lies cannot change that fact.

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  by Kobayashi-san on February 6th, 2011

• yeah, we are omnivores which means we eat both meat and veggies

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  by Little Monster_09 on March 6th, 2011

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• I quit eating cow, hog and fowl about 2 months ago, and have the same results as you!

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  by KillerQueen on January 31st, 2011

• If it's only about farming then buy your meat from somewhere that isn't factory farmed. That's what we do - and before you say it, I was vegetarian until 5 years ago (that's most of my life) and I suffered with allergies, constipation, weight gain and anemia - all of that has started to subside due to me eating healthy meats. And while I'm not completely disagreeing with you, I would just like to make the point that we should live and let live. Yes, factory farms are cruel and should be stopped, no one should give their money to them, but banning all meat is kind of silly and smacks of dictatorship.

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  by Anonymous on February 1st, 2011

• "There is, of course, absolutely no difference between the dog or cat who is a member of our family and the cow, pig, or chicken into whom we stick a fork and who we put into our mouths, chew, and swallow. Nevertheless, we act as though there were a difference."
  Hummm..... Some of my neighbors have put an end to the feral cat problem we were having. I have no problem with this practice.

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  by 40and8er on February 1st, 2011

• Okay my Grandfather raises cows for a living and has done so most of his life. We all take care of these cows as if they were our pets, in fact we have kept some as pets before. We kept them healthy and vaccinated, gave them treats often (apples, carrots, peaches ect.)and were never cruel to them. I am from Tennessee and most of the farmers around us would tell you the same. NOT ALL ANIMAL FARMS PARTAKE IN CRUEL TREATMENT OF THEIR ANIMALS!

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  by bns0003 on February 1st, 2011

• I wish people would stop wasting so much effort defending animals, while supporting the animalistic slaughter of thousands of HUMANS in the name of...."freedom". If your heart bleeds for the creatures, how much more aught you care for the men, women and children murdered daily in wars propagated by a hypocritical government that collects money from ALL its citizens without given the option to refuse supporting this atrocity!? (not that I'm assuming you're a US citizen)
  
  Wake up and get your morality in line. Stop pulling on peoples heart strings for you're agenda and realize that there is great evil in the world that you could do something about; if you weren't so preoccupied with trivialities.

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  by Daniel M on February 1st, 2011

• What is ridiculous is that you call other peoples arguments ridiculous. It is not ridiculous to say such things as the arugument that i being made and the purpose of that argument laid by PETA in their position begs thoe responses. Furthermore. It is not a question of "Should the West eat meat" It as never put in those terms.
  
  PETA claims that we and animals are the same. The very fact that you defer to our "more developed" ethical and educated sense in the west proves their point considerably wrong. We are more than animals, and animals are less than us, so then, you can not argue that eating animals is completely inhumane without acknowledging that there is a greater intellect and ethical valuation possible with humans that is not so with any animals.

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  by harpcat on February 1st, 2011

• @bns0003 Let's assume for a moment that an idyllic place for cows exists. Even a thousand of such farms would still be minority in the big meat industry scheme. The message is clear: Go Veg! if you love animals. I think that's why Pudz wrote: "...always wished that I could guarantee that the animal hadn't suffered. I've recently decided that I can't guarantee that so I won't eat meat until that changes."

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  by petapartialnude on February 1st, 2011

• Please supply the data that supports your statements that follow:
  "There is a huge amount of cruelty involved."
  "It's been proven time and again to cause cancer."
  "All the amino acids (proteins) it provides are available elsewhere."
  One those points I suggest that you do some research and not just repeat emotional drivel.
  Also, as far as your results after no longer eating meat, come back and tell us how you feel in a year.

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  by sfeldner on February 1st, 2011

• Please supply the data that supports your statements that follow:
  "There is a huge amount of cruelty involved."
  I cannot support the other arguments, but this one there is tons and TONS of evidence. Just search on Google and you will find tons of pages of evidence on the cruelty of animals!
  Like this one --> http://www.animal-abusesite.info/

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  by Jessica on February 1st, 2011

• petapartialnude I did not say that all farms are good I was simply defending the fact that there are still several private farms in which inhumane treatment of the animals is prohibited. I am so tired of people looking at me and my family as if we were are the spawn of Satan simply for providing the country with a decent source of protein and vitamins. Don't get me wrong I love animals, but I also love meat. I am not someone who would put an animal's life over that of a human's. So long story short, I just don't want people to think that ALL farms treat their animals poorly. I would never do anything to cause unnecessary pain to an animal.

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  by bns0003 on February 1st, 2011

• "There is a huge amount of cruelty involved."
  Ever seen the film Earthlings? And here's some more information: http://www.wspa-international.org/wspaswork/factoryfarming/default.aspx
  
  "It's been proven time and again to cause cancer."
  I haven't looked much into this, but I do know that the excessive amounts of antibiotics and growth hormones given to livestock in factory farms (cows in particular) have been proven to cause harm in humans. Here's an article concerning both pesticides and antibiotic/hormone contaminated meat: http://www.webmd.com/health-ehome-9/pesticides-hormones-in-food?page=3
  
  "All the amino acids (proteins) it provides are available elsewhere."
  That's simple. Corn and legumes combined provide all essential amino acids. You must understand that the animals you eat get the protein in their muscles from somewhere, right? No animal - herbivore, carnivore or omnivore - has a body that naturally makes all the protein it needs: http://nutrition.about.com/od/basicnutritionecourse/a/protein_pt_two_2.htm
  
  I've been a vegan for four years and I feel wonderful. It's not about whether you eat meat or not. It's about eating wisely and providing your body with what it needs to be happy (which is not necessarily animal products).

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  by megustamucho on February 1st, 2011

• The videos peta shows are the absolute EXTREME cases of cruelty, If you like meat go to a local butcher shop and buy yourself some, the cows, steers, hogs ect are allowed time to calm down (up to two weeks) and become comfortable with the enviroment before being humanely put down and slaughtered, most of the meat is from local ranchers who do not use or use very little vaccines and no growth horomones, not to mention usually grass fed. Best tasting meat you will ever eat!

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  by phil656565 on February 1st, 2011

• I completely agree with phil656565. Privately owned farms and butcher shops are much better than buying from say Walmart or Kroger's.

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  by bns0003 on February 2nd, 2011

• if you want to fight animal abuse, fight animal ABUSE... you'll find yourself much more successful than fighting animal use. I agree that box raised veal and chicken battery egg factories are abuse, but as long as you're shooting the moon (enforced vegetarianism) you will never acomplish anything for the improvement of animal lives.

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 2nd, 2011

• to people who says they don't eat meat because it's abuse; do you guys realize agricultural land development is destroying habitat of animals, polluting the air, soil and water with poisons. farmers spray poisons or engineer plants that kill bugs and insects to grow your veggies? hypocrites!!!!!

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  by Simply Pengu on February 2nd, 2011

• Very sensible,I totally agree. Meat eating has just become a lifestyle for so many since we were kids. Many feel they HAVE to eat meat. What people eat is often attributed to their culture and no one wants their culture attacked.

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  by Weylon on February 2nd, 2011

• culture? the only culture I have ever participated in is watching phantom of the operah. I violate the norms of every culture you could lable me a part of. I like what is enjoyable to me regardless of what my peers say and think criticaly about nearly everything I do.
  I eat healthy to the point that I buy raw milk and grind my own grain to make bread but I on occasion eat fast food.
  I am manly enough to love fight sceenes, explosions and comedy but femenine enough to enjoy 2 of the 3 twilight movies so far.
  I am so manly I would rather design, build or repair something functional than do any form of entertainment but I am femenine enough that I am Mr Mom, cook really well and even sew.
  I am straight enough that homosexuality nausiates me but am comfortable enough that I have been called metro (but I am banned from truely wearing that lable because I don't have the talk and dispise fassion)
  I am straight enough that the mere beautiful women are magnetic to me but can not understand why ANY straight man would rather be on the football team than with the cheer leaders.
  I am prudish enough that I do not watch south park even though I admit it is humorous (unlike family guy which is just stupid) but am open enough that I have no problem talking about ANY topic.
  I am caring enough that I pull over to help stranded motorists but am brutal enough to tell a girl that something is ugly.
  
  I eat meat because I like it. I like it because my body needs it (or atleast needed it before I got my nose carterized) there is no food or supliment which can give you iron as effectively as red meat and I used to bleed out my nose enough that even eating over a pound of beef per day could not prevent me from being anemic. I was truely sold on my need for meat when bloody noses caused a doctor to ask if I was vegi because I was iron deficient. I have probably not been deficient since getting my nose fixed but that is not the point, until I am diagnosed with excessive iron I will continue to eat lean red meat regularly. my choices are based on personal taste and intelectual analysis... culture can kiss my butt.

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 3rd, 2011

• King pengu you have no clue what you are talking about. Your so clueless its laughable. Now please either get informed on the subject of farming or leave this forum alone. I recommend watching the documentary "King Corn."

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  by phil656565 on February 3rd, 2011

• kind pengu that is very true. I have watched many documentaries in class on how and why vegetarians kill our rainforests. So many forests are cut down so that there is land to farm their veggies, it's horrible how many habitats of animals are lost.

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  by Jessica on February 5th, 2011

• Okay this argument has just gotten silly now

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  by bns0003 on February 6th, 2011

• Arguments favor vegetarianism are illogical, PeTA use hysteria make people unreasonable, you say only "decent people" agree of you, thta is quite wrong, PeTA not decent, Oprahh Winfrey say6 Susan Somers bioidentical hormonnes make her feel great, doctor say they are dangerous however, imagination make people believe they feel great when have problems, you are wildly subjective, is dificult have all essentaial amo ino acids if only eat plants, none have all we need, I read much of ni utrition, you just read PeTA propaganda, yes I eat ice cream twice daily, I am at great shape, strong and fit.

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  by Kobayashi-san on February 6th, 2011

• Okay so we farm animals for meat, and? That is like saying your parents had you so that you can pay taxes. Just do your thing I'll do mine, which I am having a delicious chicken breast sandwich with sriracha. Have fun with your bean curd.
  
  But, just FYI I like vegetarian dishes too. I make my own hummus and pita chips. But then I am but an omnivore.

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  by mmaides on June 29th, 2011

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• Does your little mind get lonely in your big head?

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  by GLUT on February 3rd, 2011

• The food chain is defined by what eats the creatures at each stage. What is the natural predator of the human? What animal has developed to exist on human meat?
  What animal will even come near us if it has a choice. Most animals know we are dangerous...being an omnivore doesn't put us a rung down the ladder.

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  by fooboo-0 on February 5th, 2011

• Yes, is Certainly Right eat whatever we need of proper nutrition, is not moral or ethical issue, that is just con game, PeTA con you, my cousins live at farm, they never cruel at animals, PeTA lie of this, you admit WE ARE OMNIVORES, that5 mean we eat both plants and animals, is health concern when people try be herbivores, is unnatural, vegetarianism is improper diet beahlf of us m omnivores, is naive claim bad diet is healthy. PeTA not care of fellow humans, give other animals priority, is quite illogical, PeTA cause much suffering, is uncivilized.

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  by Kobayashi-san on February 6th, 2011

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• "Meat can taste good but it's not good for you."
  Please post your research on this point, not just what crap you have heard secondhand from other uninformed people.

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  by sfeldner on February 1st, 2011

• "Meat can taste good but it's not good for you."
  I would love to see you never eat meat and be healthy at the same time. To never eat meat you need other nutrient supplement's and beans, but you do not mention that. We need meat for it's nutrients.

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  by Jessica on February 1st, 2011

• I'll bet you're not. XD

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  by sam sorce on February 1st, 2011

• There's nothing humans require for good health that can't be sourced from vegetables, fruits, legumes, nuts or seeds. Even if meat and dairy were beneficial to the human diet, they're loaded with anti-biotics, growth hormones, pesticides, vaccines and other deleterious substances that are in fact dangerous to human health.
  
  I'm quite certain that the vast majority of the population would be vegetarian if they had to hunt and slaughter for their meal. Then again, if someone can defend clubbing a baby seal or killing a cat or dog to satisfy their dietary urges, offing a pig or cow is easily justified.

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  by Wilde on February 1st, 2011

• Jessica, I challenge you to name one nutrient in meat that can't be found in vegetable matter. In fact, vegetarians are more likely to get the recommended amount of protein in their diet, and more likely to have a diverse and healthy diet. The people you see as sickly are the people who eat only salad. But you too would be sickly, if not dead, if you only ate meat.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• I never said we need to eat only meat. A balanced diet is exactly what every human needs, and that includes protein, and meat is ALWAYS the best way to get that protein from. We as humans nowadays eat far more meat than we're supposed to, and that's the problem. If you compared what we eat now to what cavemen did years ago, you would find their diets to be a lot more veggie and a lot less protein, but they still kept it in their diets. Cutting meat out of our diets altogether is not the answer. We're supposed to eat meat as humans.

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  by Jessica on February 1st, 2011

• Meat is part of a balanced diet for hunmans. Fruit, vegetables grains and nuts too. Eating too much meat without theses other food groups is not healthy. If you can afford ant of the " organic " veggiesand meats you will dcrease the chances of your body pollution, by druged cows, enhanced feeds and deadly pesticides.
  The fact is that we are true "omnivores".We have survived and thrived on meat, muts,fish,seeds,and berries. We kill the beast and sometimes the plant, but that is part of the way we live. Meat tastes good to because it supposed to taste good and is good for you. We kill off the plants we eat and reseed them in the spring. Marine mammals are being killed by drowningi the nets of comercial fisherman butpeople still eat Tuna, Shrimp, crabs and Lobsters. How many million people eat Clam chouder, Oyster stew and baby scallops in milk ans veggie sauce?
  The FDA and coastal game enforcement must beef up their watch and regulations.Beef all animal and plantlife food must be documented as safe by the grower as well as the "gross buyer". We have ecoli in lettuce,spinich and berries. Ecoli is more abundant in grain fed animals than grass fed ones., but it can be present inany animal feces. If you can't afford free range ,unfattened,cattle or chickens and their eggs; you gotta be more careful in your preparation and handling. It would be nice if our FDA policed these unscruplulous growers ,but we import a lot of meat that was barely inspectected before being chucked into the belly of Refrigerator ships.This goes for berries , and tons of vegetables too. I don't like eating second hand medicines that remain in thectreated animal,but I think our FDA ,which we support, should be more vigilent and protective of all of us.

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  by sparkyzz on February 2nd, 2011

• You are 70.. How can You be healthier than Anyone ??? Duh

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  by craigman40 on February 2nd, 2011

• without modern day convenience of the super-market, there is no way you will get the proper sustenance from veggies alone.

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  by Simply Pengu on February 2nd, 2011

• At first survive the age of 40

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  by Daniel300016 on February 3rd, 2011

• I bet you not have better health of my family, friends and me, this sound like religion, you are chosen person of PeTA goddess Ingrid Newjerk.

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  by Kobayashi-san on February 6th, 2011

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• And MANY animals do eat each other...without the slightest bit of consideration. SO what kind of animal are we? Omnivore. Animals aren't just animals. They are specific kinds of animals and they play a part in the food chain.
  
  There are herbivores, omnivores, and carnivores. If we are animals then how can you argue that we should not act like animals? Maybe we can be like the other meat eaters and not give the slightest consideration to the animals suffering. That is the logical conclusion to your argument. If however, our mental cpacity makes us something more, then you are arguing that we have a moral responsibility to be kind to animals.... something the animals do not have, and a vital way that we would be different, or more than just animals.
  
  So, either way, you are wrong!

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  by harpcat on February 1st, 2011

• So your argument is: we are animals too, so we shouldn't eat animals as the animals do? Or maybe we should defend all life against carnivores...by denying carnivores food?
  
  If you want to argue that there is no distinction between mankind and the rest of the biological life on this planet, you'll have to change sides. Or you could hold fast to your absurd stance; which - I feel the need to emphasize - does great disservice to your "reason."
  
  I don't wish to offend you, unless you're offended by logic. Please take this as my wish to help, not discourage. I actually think it would be a huge benefit to everyone if we started eating a more colorful variety of foods, rather than the typical greasy browns.

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  by Daniel M on February 1st, 2011

• "Do you think it would be alright for another creature to eat you?"
  
  You could answer that question correctly for yourself if you were to try to understand the meaning of "the food chain". Man could very well have had dozens of natural predators had our planet’s historic climate or evolution been different and if that were the case, I would fully expect to get eaten, y’all.

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  by sfeldner on February 1st, 2011

• Do you punish a cat every time you see it eat a mouse? Should we start teaching owls the immorality of eating rodents?

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  by   on February 1st, 2011

• While I have the preferance not to be eaten I must think this statement is silly.

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  by Piano playin unicorn with a hat ™ on February 1st, 2011

• Dogs are tasty, abundant, cheap, and easy to raise. I don't understand why meat eaters don't eat dogs. Maybe a little too close for comfort?

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• We are all omnivorous so its natural for human to eat meat. Dogs eat meat then why don't u go and suggest that dog to not to eat meat as they r also omnivorous like us. The homologous study of organism shows that the ancestry of dog, horse, human, bird and similar animal are same. So if it is right for dogs to eat meat then why not for human?
  If u think that dogs should also not eat meat then I think that you shouldn't be born as human but instead as a horse or cow as I said above that the ancestry of these animals are the similar to us so there might be no problem for u to be a horse or cow!

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  by Daniel300016 on February 3rd, 2011

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• from what I know the 2 types of meat you should eat less of are pork and beef. Pork because it is fatty, and beef because it is red meat. healthier meat that you should eat are chicken and turkey. just make sure that you trim the fat on the turkey, and as for chicken if you are on a diet then remove the skin. the most healthiest meat in my opinion is fish and other various types of seafood. people have been eating seafood long before they were consuming pork chicken turkey or beef. and in my opinion I believe that by eating seafood it helped people to live longer and healthier lives.

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  by steveo78 on January 30th, 2011

• Totally agree it is a personal choice and should stay that way. Unnecessary cruelty to animals is a different issue and can be backed by both meat and veggie eaters.

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  by Anonymous on February 1st, 2011

• Unfortunately there are no happy and healthy animals raised in the US anymore. 99% of all animals are born, raised, and slaughtered at concrete paved factories. The idyllic picture we see on egg cartons and meat packages don't exist. Every animal you eat have lived unhappy and cruel lives, marinated in its own feces and ammonia fumes nearly lethal to humans. If people knew the truth they would not eat meat.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• 99% of all stats are made up on the spot
  if you want to stop animal cruelty try fighting those specific techniques.... we will be on your side. as long as you try fighting meat I will oppose you

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 2nd, 2011

• PETA not tell truth of this, it lie try arouse emotional hysteria, thus people cnnot think critically of its absurd ideas, PETA lies irrelevant anyhow, humans are omnivores, thus need eat both meat and vegetables, anyone stop eat meat because of PETA lies is naive.

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  by Kobayashi-san on February 11th, 2011

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• Who says to eat meat from meat industry. Just go to jungle, catch your prey and eat it, simple!

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  by Daniel300016 on February 3rd, 2011

• You must not have gotten the memo. Carbon emissions are irrelevant. Study something called the "carbon cycle" and you'll understand why.

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  by Phil_C8527 on February 8th, 2011

• Why do you feel it necessary to patronise me?

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  by adamjohn on February 9th, 2011

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• "Suck on that all you carnivores!" I agree we eat too much meat, but statements like this doesn't help your cause. This whole "I am better than you attitude" will not further your cause.
  
  As for Gandhi it seems he didn't always believe his own words. According to 100 "Things You're not supposed to know" by Russ Kick " Gandhi refused to let his dying wife take penicillin yet took quinine to save himself"

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  by Weylon on February 2nd, 2011

• I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't stick my head that far up my ass!!!!!

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  by GLUT on February 3rd, 2011

• We are better than you because we have stronger moral code than you. Allowing animals to be tortured from birth to slaughter is truly a moral issue, and you and many other people don't seem to care because "it tastes good".

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  by robinLA on February 3rd, 2011

• It's true that there needs to be more Kosher and Halal meats readily available.

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  by jaindough on February 4th, 2011

• "...we have stronger moral code than you."
  lol, I hope you know every meat eater in the world personally to make that assessment, otherwise it's just made up nonsense.
  
  We exist in our current state because of meat. We have the teeth and digestive system to process meat. We lack the distended stomachs and waddling gait of herbivores. Many species exist in their current numbers (or at all) because we keep them for food. If cows were still the size of large dogs and were in direct competition for our veggie growing land they would probably die out for example.

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  by fooboo-0 on February 4th, 2011

• Yeah, ever see Ghandi? Fucking twig.
  And you think just because you don't eat that one bit of meat with your lettuce you're a better person than every single person who does eat meat.
  Wow, vegetarians have fucked up brains.
  ...you do realise Hitler was a vegetarian? He was a swell guy wasn't he... killing all those Jews, blacks, homosexuals and any other group of human he could get away with persecuting... following in his footsteps are we? Going to make your own race of herbivore 'superhuman'? Asshole.

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  by NatztheGreat on February 4th, 2011

• @ NatztheGreat: You do realize Hitler was white, don't you? Then, from the logic of your comment, I can assert that all whites are like Hitler. Moron. (I'm white myself, by the way.)

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  by coffeeshop on February 9th, 2011

• Its actually a myth that Hitler was a vegetarian. You should really check your facts.
  
  Gandhi was an asshole though, I didn't know that about his wife...although I did know he was a racist pedophile.
  
  Let's pretend for a minute that we really do exist in our current state because of meat. How is that relevant? Why does that mean we should continue eating meat? We don't need to anymore and animals suffer because of it. Even though I personally do not eat meat period, I support those who eat meat from local farms. I think that is a great alternative to factory farming.
  
  I don't, however, think all vegetarians are morally superior to all meat eaters. That's a little extreme.
  
  P.S. I think Gandhi was a twig cause he fasted so much.

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  by cantyoureach on February 11th, 2011

• I am omnivore not carnivore, all humans are omnib vores, is not ethical issue when eat waht we need have full nutrition, "Quote Mining" is illogical, can find many things Gandhi-san say contradict your groundless beliefs.

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  by Kobayashi-san on February 11th, 2011

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• Very nice

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  by Daniel300016 on February 3rd, 2011

• At last someone who gets it right

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  by AKNA on February 4th, 2011

• That's pretty much how it works.

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  by anevilweasel on February 6th, 2011

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• Two thirds of all meat sold in stores would make you sick if not cooked thoroughly, and this is from fecal matter.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

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• chicken batterys should be stopped... as should box raised veal.... perhapse if PETA weren't so psychotic they could have stopped these 2 travesties already. PETA hurts animal treatment by diverting funds from reasonable causes to their vegan crusade

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 2nd, 2011

• You're joking, right?

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  by robinLA on February 3rd, 2011

• Shame KFC tastes so damn good or I might join a petition... :P

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  by NatztheGreat on February 4th, 2011

• I'll join a petition spearheaded by a group merely seeking to stop chicken battery farms, but as long as it is PETA or any other group seeking to enforce veganism they can go to hell

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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on February 4th, 2011

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• I really really like this. It's a well thought out argument, and it makes some good points. Basically, I CONCUR.

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  by TheCookieMonster on February 3rd, 2011

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• Please provide your "studies" that corroborate your statement: "Funny that a lot of valid studies are ignored (by both sides) that argue that the healthiest people in the world are those that eat a mainly vegetarian diet supplemented by dairy, eggs and fish, with the occasional non-red meat."

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  by sfeldner on February 1st, 2011

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• Now I'm interested, but you didn't support your information with reason. Why are these things relevant?
  
  Just putting a lot of words out there to suggest that your stance is based on more information than someone else does nothing but manipulate. I'm sure you did this because of space constraints, but I'd like to delve further into this reasoning. It really doesn't help me to understand you're views, rather it does the opposite (but that's just because I hate being manipulated).
  
  As an example: with less hydrochloric acid, the stomach is less able to break down meat (yes?). But isn't this compensated for by the ability of the teeth to further masticate food before it enters? And the long intestine would seem to offer more time to absorb nutrients as well. Mixing fibrous foods in an omnivorous diet aids in purging the intestines as well. Would mixing with greens create a better environment for breaking down meat in the stomach (perhaps)?
  
  I'm a layman in these things, but I see a flexibility of this system rather than an affinity. It even seem to illustrate an overall finesse that I find fascinating. Please help me to understand you're argument better. I really do wish to be better informed, whatever that means for my current opinions.

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  by Daniel M on February 1st, 2011

• http://tinyurl.com/5pjkm

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  by Max Power on February 1st, 2011

• It's surely not 'rocket science' and far from it to know and understand that you, Urdivine.. are not a believer in nor follower of the Word of God.. which tells us that animals were created and put in this Earth for food consumption.
  
  Also, you're no "healer".... you cannot heal anybody of anything. Our bodies are so divinely created in so that much of the time, can heal themselves.. in which would be the work of our Creator. You would be considered as a sort of "catalyst" in the healing process, as when we get older, our bodies fail to secrete or otherwise 'manufacture' certain vital elements endogenously, that we may take supplements and/or eat as purely and naturally as possible in order to not suffer low levels or depletion of these elements. A catalyst would also perform holistic 'manipulation' on areas of the body as to stimulate natural endogenous activity, ie. chiropractic, etc.
  
  Not trying to speak condescendingly or in discredit... just being real and truthful. You "aid" in the healing of others. You don't actually heal them.
  
  It's not just an opinion that eating a balanced diet of fresh fruits, vegetables, salads, chicken, fish... and lean, red meats in moderation is a far more healthy diet for humans than, just vegetables.
  
  While animals do not have "souls".. they should not be abused and tortured or mistreated... but, should have as quick and painless a death as possible.. and IMO, killed only for use as food, not sport.
  "Animal rights" are the rights they have to not be abused. Killing them for human consumption is altogether different.
  
  As to which animals are generally eaten or not is dependent upon culture. In the US, dogs and cats would be considered as disgusting by most.. whereas, in Korea it's commonplace.
  
  Facts : Human beings are not animals and vice versa. Humans have dominion over animals.. as to say, human beings are 'higher on the food chain' than animals.
  
  One more thing : No one.. no human being is "Divine".. other than Jesus Christ.. who was perfectly human and perfectly Divine.
  
  To state otherwise is to be in support of Luciferian "theology".. commonly known as the New Age philosophy.. in which, btw.. is not actually "new" age at all... as it was the exact same philosophy that satan, in the form of a serpent had conveyed to Eve in the Garden... after having 'preached' it, as Lucifer.. in Heaven, to the multitude of Angels there, and 1/3 of them having bought into the concept.. starting a great discourse and war among them, leaving Lucifer and his followers (1/3 of the Angels) to get beaten and cast out of Heaven, onto the Earth.
  
  If you see all this as "myth" ..search the Internet and then, search your heart. The truth about it all will be revealed all too soon enough :-)
  
  Blessings!
  
  Selah

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  by Anonymous on February 2nd, 2011

• Thank you for the biology lesson, however, many people that have high IQ's, do enjoy a good steak once in a while.......!

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  by Anonymous on February 2nd, 2011

• @Urdivine
  
  That is quite frankly some of the worst supporting "evidence" I've ever heard (not that I would expect anything less from a "natural healer."
  
  Teeth - Our teeth are quite similar to those of chimpanzees, which do eat meat (even Bonobo chimps). They differ mainly in the canines, which are used for holding food and do not necessarily indicate either predatory activity or a lack thereof (llamas also have large canines, for instance).
  
  Jaw - Tasmanian devils have grinding teeth. They are used for crushing bones. Also, an adaptation that supports eating vegetable matter does not preclude the ability or tendency to eat meat.
  
  Stomach - Our stomach is nowhere near as complex as those of obligate omnivores, and is similar to that of dogs and pigs.
  
  Intestine - Human intestine is comparatively even shorter than Chimpanzee intestine, and nowhere as long as that of obligate omnivores.
  
  Liver - A healthy human liver is more than capable of processing any uric acid produced by ingesting meat. If it wasn't, there would be far more cases of gout.
  
  Hands - That is really reaching. As opposed to all the animals that eat only fruits and vegetables and don't have flexible fingers?
  
  Skin - Again, I must point out the chimpanzee, which eats and sweats much like we do. Sweating enough to cool down is rare in mammals, herbivore or otherwise, so there's no reason to make the correlation between meat consumption and sweat production, especially with animals as distantly related as horses and humans.
  
  Urine - Deer pee smells pretty bad too. Also, asparagus.
  
  Eyes - Now you're not even reading what you write. All primates, regardless of diet, have binocular vision. Cats, dogs, eagles, and snakes also have binocular vision.
  
  Mobility - The majority of terrestrial vertebrates, vegan, carnivore, or omnivore, walk on four legs. How does bipedalism indicate that an animal is an herbivore?

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  by underpantsgnome on February 2nd, 2011

• First of all, using long words doesn't make you right or convincing, it just makes you uninteliigible to anybody who isn't especially interested in biology.
  
  Secondly, even if what you've said is ture, it's not that relevant. The main reason people believe eating meat is wrong isn't that it's unhealthy, but that it causes problems to the animals and to the world. Eating ice-cream is unhealthy, but few people believe that the world as a whole should stop eating ice cream because it is immoral.

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  by TheCookieMonster on February 3rd, 2011

• I used "long words" to debunk the hogwash posted earlier, lest people think its actually credible and repeat it. As far as "the main reason" goes, I've already posted on another comment that arguing for anything on "ethical" grounds is a sign you've already lost. What makes something "ethical" or unethical" or "moral" or "immoral" is entirely based on the values of the person or culture of the proponent or disparager. Very few people believe eating meat is morally wrong either, and those people are, incidentally, the people who think ice cream derived from a cow is wrong.

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  by underpantsgnome on February 3rd, 2011

• That doesn't make sense. If you cannot argue based on what is ethical or moral, what is left? Practically everything about how people conduct themselves is based on morals and/or ethics. And maybe I read you wrong but it seems you have a problem with the health argument aspect too.

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  by Max Power on February 4th, 2011

• "That doesn't make sense. If you cannot argue based on what is ethical or moral, what is left?"
  
  You can debate the interpretation of raw facts. You can debate ethics, but only between people who actually have the same core values (such as a group with a common set of beliefs determining if a course of action is the "right" one). Debating ethics between two dissimilar groups is generally meaningless. If vegans believes all animals have rights and believes animals have no souls and thus cannot suffer anguish, their actions are both "right" because their actions are in line with their beliefs.
  
  "Practically everything about how people conduct themselves is based on morals and/or ethics."
  
  But not all people conduct themselves in the same way, do they? Because they have different sets of beliefs, different perspectives on what is ethical. And telling people that they are unethical is unlikely to win many converts to your cause.
  
  "And maybe I read you wrong but it seems you have a problem with the health argument aspect too."
  
  I'm not at all sold on the idea that meat is somehow inherently harmful to your body, nor on the (unsupported by anthropological and fossil evidence) idea that humans are naturally vegan. I have no doubt that, using modern technology, a nutritionally adequate diet could very well be derived entirely from plant matter, but that's not exactly "natural." Such a diet would also have to be more strictly monitored than a traditional diet. And, given the status of the diet of the population at large and the relatively modest gains of a vegan diet, I'm not sure they aren't simply the result of a sampling bias (comparing people who religiously maintain a diet to a comparatively nutritionally nonchalant society). The human body has a remarkable to handle a great deal of crap being thrown at it, so even if meat provided no benefit whatsoever and was even slightly detrimental, the overall impact on health would be negligible if people consumed it reasonably. No one ever lost a marathon because they chewed a stick of gum the day before.

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  by underpantsgnome on February 4th, 2011

• Of course we don't exactly match a carnivore...we aren't carnivores we're omnivores. We don't have or need large canines as we can hold our meat in our hands...we have pretty decent thumbs...does your dog?
  We have the forward focussed eyes of a carnivore (see owl, cat, dog) not the sideways facing eyes of a herbivore (see sheep, cow, deer) but is binocular vision and distance perception a solely carniverous trait...no, if I were swinging from branch to branch I'd want to see the next one properly...we are omnivores we can use them for hunting and swinging, because we evolved from a primate ancestor that started out in the trees and ended up as us, the worlds most successful omnivores.

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  by fooboo-0 on February 4th, 2011

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• I'm alright with it. I hope the animals I've eaten were treated in a humane way right up to and including the point they were stunned and dispatched but with the regulations now in place it'd be very difficult for me to live the self sufficient iron age-esq life where I could see exactly where all my meat and veg came from and how well it was treated, what it was sprayed with, etc.
  But I'm human so I am ok with it. It's part of being the creature I am.

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  by fooboo-0 on February 4th, 2011

• you are an idiot! Do you really think that if you would not have eaten that burger at burger king that magically a cow would have not been killed? Do you really think that you are that important or matter that much? NO ANIMAL WAS KILLED JUST FOR YOU TO EAT IT!

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  by Im Niko on February 8th, 2011

• So where does the meat come from then?

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  by Guyro on February 11th, 2011

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• I've visited farms and seen how animals are reared, I've seen animals being killed. I've watched in depth on television the slaughter process in professional slaughterhouses. It didn't stop me being the creature I am and eating meat.
  If "god" didn't want us to do it why did he make it not only possible for us to do so but, in the right amounts, beneficial? A sick joke?
  
  Carnivores eat meat, were those animals designed to be against gods wishes and stuck like that with no hope of redemption? Ever tried to rear a lion on tofu?

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  by fooboo-0 on February 4th, 2011

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• Not that I disagree with you, but for non-meaters at least fast food has very little meat in it. Burger King, for example, has the least amount of meat in their burgers, with more than half being soy.

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  by hengeworks on February 1st, 2011

• or eat taco bell where there is hardly any meat :)

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  by Weylon on February 2nd, 2011

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• Animals screw each other from the first day of fertility. Animals screw their own offspring. Man has been doing the same since the beginning of man. With your faulty logic we should be screwing our own daughters from their first menstruation. Do you see how wrong your argument is? Just because something is natural doesn't mean that it is ok.

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  by robinLA on February 2nd, 2011

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• There are roughly 12 proteins that humans need to consume, 8 can be found in meat. Tofu contains all of those 8 proteins. Meat is not required to be consumed to live or thrive. In fact, a vegetarian is more likely than a meat eater to eat the recommended amount of protein per day.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

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• "most of the e coli outbreaks relate back to cows that are not fed grass, but corn instead."
  
  Perhaps you should do just a bit of simple research. "e coli outbreaks" are cause by the ingestion of fecal matter - poop - by the humans who end up as part of the "outbreak". It has nothing to do with the cattle or any other animal or even spinach for that matter until the meat or vegetable is exposed to machinery or people who have not had the shit washed off of them. (pardon my language).
  
  "This is why I believe If anyone really wanted to slow down the consumption of meat"
  
  Please tell us who, besides the radically inclined, wants to “slow down the consumption of meat”?
  
  “they would block the subsidizing of corn, this would increase the prices of meat (decrease e coli at the same time)”
  
  Perhaps you have heard of ethanol? Since the subsidizing of ethanol production, there has been a nation-wide shortage of corn and its price has risen to record levels. The price of meat has risen accordingly yet consumption has not seen a significant change.
  
  “and make fruits and vegetables a more price competitive option.”
  
  Time for more research… Fruits and vegetables do not provide enough protein for a proper diet. Perhaps you can tell us how increased corn prices might affect bean prices?
  
  
  
  “Also maybe we could get rid of that high-fructose corn syrup garbage. Do a google search on that and see what health problems it causes.. “
  
  Good idea… You should do a Google search and then READ the articles. EVERY study done on corn syrup has quantified its findings with the words “excessive consumption”. But that has nothing to do with meat.

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  by sfeldner on February 1st, 2011

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• That would make an interesting study; the relative health levels of those who pray to a deity compared to altruistic atheists...just to see if prayer has a measurable effect on health.

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  by fooboo-0 on February 4th, 2011

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• Haha! You could be right about the tofu taste! On it's own anyway. I can't really tell because I have never tasted a homeless person's underwear...
  Tofu is, however, a good way to keep up the protein in your diet if you're trying to cut down on meat consumption for health reasons. It's actually pretty tasty when spiced up and mixed with veggies.

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  by Friartuck on February 1st, 2011

• Our teeth and digestive systems are made for breaking down veggies and fruits, not meat. You have no idea of what you are talking about. Our teeth are mainly for grinding and the front teeth for chomping veggies and biting fruit. Our digestive system is much longer then meat eating animals. Our digestive enzymes in our mouth are for breaking down starches, not mean protein. Tofu tastes great, much better then organ meats! Naturally, we shouldn't have to cook our food. What would you rather eat, a raw veggie or a freshly killed animal? You deserve to go back to caveman days artful! You sound like you live like an animal!

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  by Brian_K4654 on February 1st, 2011

• Almost Brian...
  http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/6-14-1999a.html
  
  Indicates the adoption of meat eating was fundamental to the development we've had - and that our intestinal tract has made adjustments to cope.
  
  A healthy diet can contain meat and fish and seafood - just not in the amounts and (horridly low) quality prevalent in most Western diets.

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  by Friartuck on February 1st, 2011

• Unseasoned meat is pretty gnarly to eat too. And to make meat taste good you have to add vegetarian ingredients.
  
  And if you think your God argument holds water, why did God make girls fertile at age 11?

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• I hate to be the one to break it to you, Robin but in many societies girls are married at 11 and are expected to concieve.

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  by Artful Bodger on February 1st, 2011

• Man chose what was the appropriate age for a girl to be considered for reproduction...nature chose it's own age, tricky subject but back when we only lived to our mid-30's possibly early 40's it made more sense.
  
  Unseasoned meat? I'd bite a cow son! I can eat a stake rare and untouched by any condiments...delicious! I seriously don't think a veggie should try to advise meat eaters on what way meat tastes best.
  And even those that have to add "vegetarian ingredients" to eat their meat SO! we are omnivores, no-one is claiming that we are pure carnivores. If we add some ingredients to our meat...fine...we a following an omnivorous diet then!

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  by fooboo-0 on February 4th, 2011

• So we eat animals since god made them out of meat? By that logic we should eat people too, since guess what they are made out of? Belief in god is just hooie if you think believing in something makes it true or has anything to do with it being true or not. Beliefs are just opinions on a pedestal. Stick with facts. Those are things you can prove by providing clear evidence that can be duplicated by others. Do not make the mistake of confusing any opinion or belief with a fact. If you can not share clear evidence about the idea with others, it is just an opinion, and a shaky one at best.

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  by James_L9382 on February 4th, 2011

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• Biologically we're meat eaters. The problem seems to be, do we listen to our bodies or our philosophies?

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  by jaindough on February 4th, 2011

• I have an idea about eating meat. I think anyone who eats meat ought to earn the privilege. How?
  
  Each person who eats meat should at some point see the process through from the beginning. They should care for the animal then kill, clean and butcher it before eating it. I think everyone should understand the reality of meat consumption.
  
  I purchase nearly all my meat from local farms and in the past I raised my own animals. I also occasionally hunt eating what I kill. I am an unashamed consumer of meat.

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  by Wynper on February 4th, 2011

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• How can you call yourself a "true" vegetarian if you have to eat meat? From what I can recall vegetarians don't eat meat at all under any circumstances. I have a friend who is a vegetarian and follows these same rules. Maybe there are different types of vegetarians...I might be totally out of the loop on that but o well. You seem to be contracting yourself. Either you are or aren't a vegetarian. There are no in betweens.

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  by LilSassyBoo101 on March 22nd, 2011

• I'm a vegatarian because I don't like meat and since I still live with my parents (who are doctors) they insist that I should eat meat because b4. I ate meat at all I had some minor health probs because of lack of protein and I'm an athlete so I need some. I don't have any beliefs that made me become vegetarian.

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  by mulove4 on March 26th, 2011

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• I share your view! Eating meat is a moral issue and we as a advanced society should move on from savage practices. We don't need meat, so killing animals is a choice, not a necessity.
  
  Just a correction, all living organisms on earth are on the same evolutionary level. We are equally successful thus far. We have all survived 4 billion years. Extremely likely, humans will not be around until the end, so we are very likely not the most successful organism on earth.

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  by robinLA on February 3rd, 2011

• Evolutionary level as in who is more evolved and developed mentally and physically. They actually do have a scale where they can measure how much more evolved in our way of living, our way of thinking and so on.

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  by Awesome on February 3rd, 2011

• Why don't we see more hard core veggies throwing themselves into the mouths of lions to save the animals?
  
  The assumption that meat is immoral and we should move away from it as we "advance" is nonsense frankly. Our "advancement" has been built on the fact that we had the spare time and brain power to sit around being creative. If you look at herbivores they pretty much spend all of their time eating to get enough out of their food to exist. Meat helped us develop our brains and meat removed some of the requirement to munch for hours on end. We wouldn't have advanced without meat.
  And as for "most successful" we aren't the oldest organism on the planet but we are the top of the food chain and we have the technology/ability to breed in large numbers without a significant natural predator controlling our population. In the race for dominance we definitely are top, could a cockroach wipe out the entire planet if it wanted to? (that's not a good idea but in comparison it is definitely something we can do that none of the other animals are "advanced" enough to accomplish).

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  by fooboo-0 on February 4th, 2011

• But we already have things that can replace the nutrition meat gives us. And ofcourse it is immoral, don't speak nonsense.
  
  Killing a life is immoral, shouldn't animals have the right live out their lives fully as we do? Or should we eat them jsut for our own pleasure even though we have things that can substitute the nutrition we get from meat?
  
  And if aliens came and farmed us like pigs, you'd find that wrong wouldn't you? But then the aliens would say they need humans for their nutrition. Do you see the irony?

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  by Awesome on February 4th, 2011

• Killing is NOT immoral. UNLAWFUL killing is immoral. And the killing of animals is neither moral NOR immoral. Extending human sensibilities to animals without the ability to formulate the concept of rights is a wasted effort.

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  by LarryH54 on February 7th, 2011

• @LarryH54 Wrong, We are taking advantage of an animal's capabilities. If an animal knew it was going to be killed in what ever way, I'm sure they'd rather not die.
  
  No animal should have it's life shortened, animals should be able to live a full life. Think of it like this, if aliens were to farm humans because compared to aliens humans are extremely unevolved and stupid just like when you compare a human with a shrimp.
  
  And if they aliens would put us down with no clue of us dying, wouldn't you see the wrong in that Larry?
  
  It is true animals don't know what the concept of rights is, but so don't infants. You wouldn't take away their right to live out a full life wouldn't you?

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  by Awesome on February 8th, 2011

• We take away the rights of unborn children on a regular basis. Isn't it just a tad hypocritical to kill them for convenience then to whine about killing animals for food?

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  by LarryH54 on February 8th, 2011

• "unborn" There's your key word, think about it.

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  by Awesome on February 8th, 2011

• Pre-born then, if you wish to quibble. They're still just as alive as any animal you wish to protect from slaughter.

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  by LarryH54 on February 8th, 2011

• It's a whole different context though, when parents have abortions. It's when the fetus is in it's earliest developments. It hasn't developed thought, feeling, movement. It doesn't even know it's alive... Mainly because it isn't alive in the womb yet. Whilst an animal when being killed has mental capabilities, thought, feelings, movement and is actually alive and has been developed enough to know that it is living and that it cherishes it's life. Fetus, no mind, no though, isn't even alive in the womb yet.

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  by Awesome on February 9th, 2011

• That's an assumption and a poor one. I've seen video of an unborn child fighting for his life during an abortion. He knew exactly what was happening to him. It's funny that you would use that rationale, as scientists for years used to say that ANIMALS don't feel or think, and that made their experiments on them all right.

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  by LarryH54 on February 9th, 2011

• Fighting? Are you serious... They haven't fully developed. They can't suddenly start fighting with their fists. They aren't even developed enough to move. Now I can't even take you seriouly. Fighting for his life? lol. And scientists have never said animals don't feel or think unless your talking CENTURIES ago when there went actually scientists but idiotic people who had no education and thought the world was flat.
  
  Scientists in the last century or two, do know that animals feel pain. Why? because they actually research and study now. No scientist who uses evidence, research and obsevation would say animals don't feel pain.
  
  Your a liar and you should stop, The reason abortion hasn't been illegalized is because the fetus's haven't fully developed feeling. And they actually have evidence for this, not like when random scholars in ancient times would randomly throw out knowledge without evidence, proper observation and research.

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  by Awesome on February 11th, 2011

• I have video of the attack on the child on vcr tape. And I REMEMBER the talk on TV about how animals don't feel pain when they are being experimented on in ways that people would never accept. Stop talking out of your ass. I am NOT lying. Believe it or not, the Internet does not contain every single fact ever known. But as it happens, there is another similar video on youtube. LEARN something for a change.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_KvVMZw_a4&feature=related
  
  Oh, and if scientists never said that animals don't feel pain, WHY do they make such a big deal about it now? Obviously they are trying to correct an incorrect impression they gave back in the '50's and '60 when they made it 'common knowledge'.

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  by LarryH54 on February 11th, 2011

• Wow, That ddid change my mind on abortion. Now I'm against abortion, but is that the issue? The issue is killing animals.
  
  And if scientists did say animals don't feel pain. THen they aren't real scientist. being a scientist means research and evidence. You shouldn't stereotype a couple of scientist for every.
  
  The reality is, Killing an animal is wrong. And now since you've changed my opinion on abortion. Abortion is wrong. So the murder/killing of any living thing is wrong. How can this be right? And whine about killing animals when there is abortion? Believe it or not but there are abortion protesters out there. Most vegetarians are also against abortion.
  
  So what's your point, That killing animals for meat isn't wrong? If you do think it's wrong then you shouldn't have debated me in the first place.

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  by Awesome on February 11th, 2011

• Killing animals for meat is done by animals all the time. Are you saying that animals are doing wrong? Or are you saying that humans are special and therefore should not participate in the food chain? We have every right to kill and eat animals. Just like they have every right to kill and eat us. If they can.

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  by LarryH54 on February 11th, 2011

• The irony. I'm saying that killing animals is wrong. Why? because your shortening it's life. And animals do kill us that is true, but they are as evolved to know what they are doing is wrong and they do not know there are other things they could eat.
  
  And humans shouldn't participate in the killing of animals since now a days we have substitutes for what animals give our body. We are more developed then animals, why should we lower our selves to their level and kill them?
  
  And it's a tragedy when an animal kills a human too, but you shouldn't be too harsh on them since they have no idea what they are doing is wrong. And usually they kill a human out of fear.
  
  And yes killing animals for meat is done all the time, doesn't mean it's right though. People are killed all the time, doesn't mean it's right.

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  by Awesome on February 11th, 2011

• you sound really stupid there

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  by eztheredummy on February 27th, 2011

• Didn't know I could even sound stupid through writing.

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  by Awesome on February 28th, 2011

• Didn't know I could even sound stupid through writing.

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  by Awesome on February 28th, 2011

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• Cows are ruminants, which make them herbivorous (plant eating) animals. A ruminant has a stomach with four chambers designed to break down fibrous plant material that monogastrics such as humans cannot digest properly. It is thus that cows primarily eat grasses and legumes not only restricted to open fields, but also out on pastures and rangelands.
  
  Its incredibly insulting to say 'if they devoted their resources to growning food instead of feeding cows...'... guess what, their resources are..... GRASS AND COWS!!! They are poor. You know what its like leaving in Africa. Its really shitty. War and Famine all over the place. They don't have the resources for the nourishment they need if they stopped eating meat. An American can pop some vitamins pills to supplement the loss of those nutrients. You can't expect their life to be like our lives.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Manyatta.jpg
  
  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Maasai_shelter.jpg/800px-Maasai_shelter.jpg
  
  That is what they have to work with! Those people live in a condition you probably wouldn't last a week in, and your answer to them is to fucking farm! Farm what!? Without cows some tribes would have exactly DICK!

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  by Maul on February 2nd, 2011

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• what about halal?

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  by jaindough on February 4th, 2011

• ... what about Halal?

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  by recently.deceased on February 6th, 2011

• Halal meat is free from drugs, bad feed, and cruelty ( theoretically ) , and has flavour; but it is farmed.

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  by jaindough on February 6th, 2011

• Not sure how I feel about it to be honest. Regardless, I think agriculturally raised meat is bad for the environment. Though, presumably factory farmed meat is forbidden in Halal so I suppose it is far better for the environment, the animal, and the person consuming it, to practice Halal than regular meat eating practices. Nonetheless, wild meat is still probably better.

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  by recently.deceased on February 7th, 2011

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• I agree that animals have feelings and I hate that they are treated with horrible cruelty in order to feed the humans, but I love the taste of meat and I hate wasting food because the poor people in New Zealand (or somewhere) are starving, so wasting food is wrong, so if it is already dead I can't bring it back to life, so I will go ahead and eat it.

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  by granmagriddle on February 1st, 2011

• That is unfortunately the only way people get to know their food. Had people seen how animals are raised in factories and how they are slaughtered there would be a whole lot vegetarians.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

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• wow

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  by Little Monster_09 on March 6th, 2011

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• Wrong, we actually need only small trace amounts of b12. You can get it from other sources other then animal sources. We don't need dairy at all. Breads are actually not necessary but we need fruits.

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  by Brian_K4654 on February 1st, 2011

• You are very incorrect. We do need vitamin b-12 and it is only synthesized naturally by bacteria living in animals, or in culture. Every cell in every animal uses vitamin b-12 ubiquitously. Vegetarians are usually eating b-12 supplements made by genetically engineered bacteria in culture at large pharmaceutical companies. (Note - I do not have issues eating GM foods, as all foods humans eat are GM foods, both plant and animal, with the exception of wild game, but that is another issue. Most vegans I know are anti GM food people as well, so I make sure to point this little tidbit out about the b-12 to them regularly)

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  by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on February 1st, 2011

• Vitamin b12 deficiency doesn't exist in either meat eaters or vegans, so not sure why you think it is so crucial to eat meat.

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  by robinLA on February 1st, 2011

• If you are a vegan and you are not taking b12 supplements you are going to be sick. As to eating meat, I like it, it is natural to eat meat. It is healthy to eat meat. Our evolution have been driven forward by our consumption of animal flesh. Wow, I would be you would be really appalled to discover that I am a scientist and that I perform experiments on animals as well.

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  by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on February 1st, 2011

• You can naturally obtain b12 as a vegan, without supplements. As a scientist, Hominan, you must be aware that animals procure there b12 from plant life! The problem is that b12 is normally found on the surface of vegetables, and gets washed off in the harvesting process. Seaweed as well as mushrooms contain b12 throughout the whole of the plant, not only the surface, so that it won't be washed away in the harvesting process.

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  by recently.deceased on February 6th, 2011

• As a scientist I can assure that vitamin b-12 is synthesized by symbiotic bacteria living in an animal host. Humans have lost the ability to host such organisms. You are getting getting b12 that was synthesized in a bacterial living in an animal host or in a bioreactor somewhere.

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  by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on February 7th, 2011

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