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by Joshabc50 on August 7th, 2009

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Do we still need affirmative action?

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  • by RosieGHM Jetpacker on February 7th, 2010
    voted: Yes

    RosieGHM Jetpacker

    I don't know if the playing field will ever be level no matter how long we try to make it so. I don't see any harm in giving an extra helping hand to those who need it. Cutting taxes for the rich is affirmative action, isn't it? Benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor? Paying farmers to not grow food is affirmative action, isn't it? The money is diverted from other areas so that is also at the expense of those who are in need. Whatever you do that benefits one group of people over others is affirmative action, isn't it? Happy Sunday to you! :)

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  • by Old School on February 6th, 2010
    voted: Yes

    Old School

    This boils down to two very specific questions:

    1) Do you believe our society is a meritocracy?

    2) Do you believe the aphorism "It's not what you know, it's who you know"?

    If your answers are 1) Yes 2) No, then there is little evidence to support your belief.

    If your answers are 1)No and 2) Yes, then you are on your way to understanding why Affirmative Action is necessary.

    Because people in disadvantaged groups suffered OVERT discrimination in the past, they suffer from structural discrimination today.

    They don't have parents who went to prestigious universities, who can get them 'legacy' admissions (George W. Bush, I'm looking straight at you...)

    They don't have uncles who are executives at MegaGlopCorp who can get them jobs in the mail room.

    The don't get to hang out in the computer lab of their local university while still in high school.

    They don't don't get access to SAT-test-taking courses (which their schools don't offer and their parents can't afford).

    They don't get access to adequate nutrition, and suffer a 10-point drop in IQ relative to their fully-nourished counterparts.

    Etc., etc., etc.

    Of course, it is a curious aspect of human existence that enormous numbers of people can answer 1) Yes 2) Yes to the questions above, and not even realize that the two questions are mutually exclusive and contradictory (never mind what the evidence is on these questions)

    Does this answer mean that I support every affirmative action program that has ever been implemented anywhere? Of course not.

    But it does acknowledge that where there are wrongs, there need to be remedies.

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  • by Juxtapose on February 6th, 2010
    voted: No

    Juxtapose

    This is absurd. Enough is enough.
    Slums and ghettos are not racially specific, the unifying reason for people to be there is not the color of their skin, but that they did not take advantage of the opportunities laid before them.

    If anything, caucasion males are having their opportunities (and in many cases, constitutional rights) stripped from them in a blind attempt to balance the economic system even farther in favor of those whose ancestry had a difficult past. Economic hardship is no longer racially specific, and as long as we continue to put emphasis on what color our skin is we only perpetuate racism and segregation.

    You want equal opportunity? Drop every single opportunistic program placing emphasis on gender or the color of skin, and make it situationally based on hard numbers. Slavery and economic racism is in the past, drop it already and move on. There are more important things to worry about and fund than petty grudges.


    Oh, and for those who cry about still getting discrimination:
    Do you have any idea how terrifying it is to be a white male and say anything to anyone who isn't a white male? All it takes is one statement which can be twisted into a racist comment for us to lose our jobs, our money, and be treated like a racist pig. I've seen it happen too many times. Stop complaining, we're completely discriminated against on a daily basis because of you people who treat everyone white as racist. You're the real racists.

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  • by NYRican on February 2nd, 2010
    voted: No

    NYRican

    I voted No, and it has been no always. First of all I give God the thanks for all the jobs I have had, Second I work hard in any job I had, and if they did not want me because of my skin color, then that wasn't the job I wanted. Now I work for myself, Thanks be to God and I'm happy. Remember everybody is going to answer to God for the things done in this live time.

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  • by ThatGuyTed on February 1st, 2010
    voted: No

    ThatGuyTed

    Having no racial discrimination means NO racial descrimination. A person is hired only by thier qualifications, not by some arbitrary quota.

    The race card is maxed out. Time to start paying with some personal responsibility.

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  • by Closed Account on January 2nd, 2010
    voted: Yes

    Closed Account

    But we need to stop the abuse and use it the right way

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  • by Arisztid on August 8th, 2009

    Arisztid

    It is a catch-22:

    1) if affirmative action were stopped, I believe that things would go back to how they were (well, not that bad) and qualified minorities (well of the minority groups protected by AA) would be denied jobs.

    2) as it is, qualified whites are denied jobs in liu of sometimes underqualified minorities. Qualified minorities and minorities who got the job with no help from AA face the accusation of "you got that job through AA." My ethnicity (I am of a small minority group) is not protected by AA and I get that sometimes.

    So, while something still needs to be done, this is not working. Removing AA without something in its place would increase job discrimination against minorities. AA discriminates against whites and sets up a lot of hostility between whites and minorities.

    My Lady has a suggestion of a way that might actually work better than affirmative action:

    http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5487490

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  • by Self Consuming Cannibal on October 31st, 2010
    voted: No

    Self Consuming Cannibal

    When AA was first put into action it was necessary but nowadays, if you're white you almost have to walk on egg shells when the subject of rascism comes up. Personally I am SICK AND TIRED of paying for and being judged for the misdeeds of my ancestors. Is it not racist to not hire someone white for a job (if they are more qualified) just because there's not enough minorities working somewhere? Why is racism towards white people so widely accepted as ok, but when a white person even speaks of racism, his/her words are put under a microscope and they are persecuted?

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  • by ellesheen on May 18th, 2010
    voted: Yes

    ellesheen

    As long as there is discrimination some sort of non-discriminatory act is always needed. The problem boils down to this. How do you go about hiring two equally qualified individuals who have the same job experiences, education and number of years when one is white and the other one is black? You go by what you find most appealing and usually for most that is their own race. That is discrimination and unfortunately we need AA to protect those who will be discriminated against by employers just because of the way they look. Of course nobody is proposing that unqualified individuals are given a job just because they happen to belong to the protected minority. That would be absurd, however we need to ensure that equally qualified individuals are given jobs not based on how they look but on other factors.

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  • by theONEwithoutTHEanswers on April 21st, 2010
    voted: Yes

    theONEwithoutTHEanswers

    I voted yes, not because I feel that affiritive action has always been fair in the past, but I DO feel that if you're qualified for a job you should get in and race and gender should not be an issue.

    The reason I voted yes is because when a friend of mine went to audition in order to attend Julliard, she played a clarinet solo. I watched in silence as she made no mistakes what so ever. I also watched how other soloists came and bombed their solos. I considered her pitch, dynamics, and other musical things as oposed to others and realized that my friend was one of the best candidates that day. I watched 15 people, and my friend would have ranked number 4. However, my friend is a minority. And not only did they ask her not to sight read (something that can make or break you musically) they informed her that she did not make it later on.

    Because of this, everyone who heard that story in that general area has become discusted with Julliard, feeling they were "biased" now that affirmative action was no longer required. I do not agree per say that this was the reason my friend didn't make it, however, Julliard's name has now been tarnished over both race and gender.

    I don't think that would have happened if a minority was accepted from that group, even if it wasn't my friend- and I say this because there were students who were less talented than her that had financial advantages even though she had the grades who made it in.

    this is just an example why I believe affirmative action should still exist.

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  • by RosieGHM Jetpacker on April 9th, 2010
    voted: Yes

    RosieGHM Jetpacker

    When positions of power reflect the actual makeup of the population then we shall no longer need it. If, for example, 50% of the population is made up of people of color and only 5% of the positions of power have people of color holding them, that is not a good thing. White no longer reigns supreme in anything but lack of skin pigmentation. There are still racists/bigots/hatemongers that not only won't allow people of color to take a seat at the table but are preventing them from even entering the room! :)

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  • by LifeAfTeRU on February 9th, 2010
    voted: No

    LifeAfTeRU

    NO< NO NO NO- more excuses this is 2010 guys

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  • by notperse on February 7th, 2010
    voted: No

    notperse

    I feel that affirmative action is demeaning for many people out there. It's a little bit of a toss-up, because people should respect eachother no matter what. But I think that affirmative action did what it NEEDED so badly to do at the time. But minds change...they get wiser...and they get wider...and affirmative action has probably reached its time to stop looking back to the past.

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  • by bagicide stayed 10 months too long on February 3rd, 2010
    voted: No

    bagicide stayed 10 months too long

    Affirmative action has had almost fifty years to work. If it was effective, wouldn't it have done its job by now? I mean really, you only have two choices here, maybe three. Either Affirmative Action is ineffective and possibly even harmful to blacks, or blacks are incapable of being equal citizens and are somehow inferior. I absolutely don't believe that blacks are in any way inferior, so I'm left with the idea that affirmative action is actually holding them back. I think it is high time we stop holding them back and making them second class citizen and either lead, follow or get the heck out of their way.

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  • by Omar Little on February 3rd, 2010
    voted: No

    Omar Little

    Yes, we absolutely do still need AA, allow me to explain why.
    You see, women are inferior to men, and non-whites are inferior to whites, in every way, shape, or form, anyone can see this, we all know it, and no-one knows it more than those in favour of AA. Since women could never possibly compete with the sheer brilliance of men, and non-whites couldn't even dream of equalling whites in anything, then it's only fair that they're given a helping hand, a leg up if you will, because without an unfair, enforced advantage, they'd stand no chance of competing.

    I know to most who witness endless streams of (usually black) women snapping their fingers and insisting they can do anything a man can do, only better, will think that AA is insane, since black women themselves are claiming superiority, even singing about such superiority (example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usz-vwNGCxA ) over men, but the fact is, although they talk a good game, they know they're inferior, so they should have the benefit of AA.

    Right, I'm voting no, just to clear up, my first 2 paragraphs are just me giving an example of how AA comes across, I do not actually hold those beliefs, just trying to let people see how offensive, patronising, and utterly insulting on the most grotesque level, AA actually is.

    The following is what I do believe.
    Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome.

    I have said this before, and annoyed a lot of people in the process, and I'll do the same again, OK, here goes, for as long as AA is in existence, I will never take any woman, or any non-white person seriously when it comes to their profession, from plumber to surgeon, from cleaner to Secretary Of Defence, I will not take any of them seriously, not as long as they are given an advantage over anyone else simply because of the way they were born, no matter how small and insignificant that advantage may seem, any advantage at all removes all possibility of me taking them seriously.

    Something that those who favour AA need to understand, and need to understand well, is that there is no amount of shaming language in the world that will change my mind. Call me misogynist, say I'm racist all you want, if that's what makes you sleep easier at night, go ahead, but know this, I do not think the way I do because of any personal hatred, malice, or resentment I have for a particular part of society, I feel the way I do because people like yourself force me to do so, and leave me very little option, this is something you really need to understand.

    I will simply do a little checklist, lumping all adult women and non-whites into one category, let's see how many we can tick off as "yes";
    Are they capable human beings? Check.
    Are they intelligent adults? Check.
    Should they be treated as adults in all aspects of society? Check.
    Should they be given the same opportunity as everyone else? Check.

    I'm having great difficulty finding a reason for them to be given an unfair advantage over anyone else.

    Just to clarify, I'm a white male, and I would like to give an example of how pathetic those in favour of AA are, so here's my impression of one;
    "Sob, sob, boo-hoo, gush, gush, us poor white men never win the 100m race at the Olympics, this is because the Olympic committee just don't like white men, and have constructed the race to be a disadvantage to us, sob, sob, can we get a 10, maybe 20m start? It'll even out this horrible injustice against the white man once and for all (although if you give us this, we'll push our luck and demand it in every single corner of society)".
    Aren't they just pathetic? Of course they are, crying about an injustice that does not exist, or directly affect them, and then demanding an advantage based on their lies, those white men are just pitiful, is what I'm sure you'd hear if white men behaved this way, yet when women and non-whites behave this way, we've not to mention it in fear of being labelled racist or sexist, well label away, you'll never change my mind on this.

    Although AA is cast-iron discrimination against men and whites, it's not them that get my sympathy, men and whites are brilliant, we'll cope, my sympathy goes out to those women and non-whites who have genuinely earned their position on merit, those who have worked hard and had to overcome the same barriers any white man would, they get my genuine sympathy, because they are now nothing more than a needle in a haystack, there's no way of knowing if they earned their position on merit, or earned it with a little helping hand that white men do not get, so trying to find the female, or non-white professional who is actually a professional, is like finding, well, a needle in a haystack, and although most will not admit it, no-one will take the genuine professionals seriously, I mean actually seriously, in case that professional turns out to be an amateur in professional's clothing.

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  • by Zofmui on February 2nd, 2010
    voted: No

    Zofmui

    I would like to see the question regarding a person's race or ethnicity removed from job applications and school admission forms. Then the choice would be made without race influencing the decision.

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  • by woggy on February 2nd, 2010
    voted: No

    woggy

    Affirmative Action was never intended to drone on in perpetuity. It was supposed to give the disadvantaged a "jump start" at a time when overwhelming bigotry existed in many areas of the US- so bad that blacks, in the main, faced a future not unlike the serfs in the Middle Ages.
    Affirmative Action has done all it can do; that much should be obvious, since two generations have come of age since Affirmative Action first was enacted.
    I believe one should be able to answer the question in the negative without being labeled a bigot. I believe that the protected groups have seen enough success, among those (seemingly) motivated to succeed, that it is not only "okay" to phase out Affirmative Action, but obligatory, as testament to those who used it to their advantage and made their own way in the world.
    They've proven that it can be done, and the hangers-on that perpetually rely on such class preference(which it has become) only discredit true achievement.

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  • by goodbyebag on February 2nd, 2010
    voted: Yes

    goodbyebag

    As long as a certain peoples lives in a "ghetto/slum" than we are obligated to support them in their success.

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  • by BigDog1234 on February 2nd, 2010
    voted: No

    BigDog1234

    Affirmative action is just legalized discrimination against white people. People shoudl be judged by their talents and abilities, not the color of their skin. Affirmative action goes directly against Dr. King due to the fact that all men aren't being treated equal.

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  • by Twisted Taco on February 1st, 2010

    Twisted Taco

    I prefer Negative Action myself

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  • by Old School on February 1st, 2010
    voted: Yes

    Old School

    OF COURSE we still need affirmative action.

    How else would can Upper Class Twits like George W. Bush grow up to be President if we don't provide them a leg up.

    How would GWB ever have gotten into Yale if his grandapa wasn't Prescott Bush?

    How would GWB ever have gotten into Harvard Business School if not for being a member of the downtrodden Bush 'legacy'?

    Imagine if poor GWB had been subject to the military draft, instead of being stashed in the National Guard because of Grandpa and Daddy's influence.

    How could GWB ever have been allowed to start up and run into bankruptcy three oil exploration companies if not for the 'affirmative action' of Bush and bin Laden family money?

    How would GWB ever been able to be the 'face' of the Texas Rangers ownership group if not for 'preferential treatment' given to Bush family money and connections.

    Would anyone have taken seriously the political aspirations of a coke-snorting alcoholic overgrown frat boy if not for the 'government handout' of his family name by Grandpa and Pappy Bush?

    If not for the 'affirmative action' of dynastic family wealth, old-boy networks, and nepotism, the imbecilic rich would be seriously underrepresented in many walks of life.

    Is that an America you want to live in?


    I remember back in the late '90s when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture to an economic philosophy class I was taking. It was a great lecture, made more so by the fact that the class was only about ten or twelve students and we got got ask all kinds of questions and got a lot of great, provocative answers. Anyhow, Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol back either during the first Bush administration. The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics. Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon's domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at The White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at UPenn and the Kennedy School of Government. With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. "I oppose it", Irving replied. "It subverts meritocracy."

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  • by SalientAlien on January 1st, 2010
    voted: No

    SalientAlien

    Affirmative action is an academic idea that is disconnected from the real world. It's a rigid command and control structure inserted into a complex, dynamic, decentralized system. Hiring decisions must be made on merit. If you had an inadequate education, you're going to have to work harder to get where you want than those with a good education. Nobody ever said life is fair.

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  • by Thriftymaid on August 8th, 2009

    Thriftymaid

    There was a time when it was needed, but we do not need it now.

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  • by Sharona Life is a Tale Told by an Idiot on August 8th, 2009

    Sharona Life is a Tale Told by an Idiot

    After listening to the insane ravings of Pat Buchannan, I think we need an action to rid the country of these stupid dinosaurs.

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  • by Greekgod on August 8th, 2009

    Greekgod

    Never. what we need is the right person for the job.

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  • by wapper777 on May 24th, 2010
    voted: No

    wapper777

    I was around when Dr. King and his brave followers were defying racism by putting their lives on the line. I was a young man at the time, but his "I Have a Dream" speech changed my attitudes about race. In matters of race relationships I have used his "content of character" words as my guiding light, as I think all peoples should. After all this time, it hurts me to see the "character" of most blacks as being one of entitlement and race preference. If Dr. King where alive today, he would hang his head in shame for his people, and there lack of character and their dependence on the good will of whites.

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  • by Fielder on May 18th, 2010
    voted: No

    Fielder

    No. Long before Obama took office it was an unnecessary practice.

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  • by Anonymous on August 15th, 2010

    Anonymous

    We never did.

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  • by RefreshPerspective on July 22nd, 2010
    voted: Yes

    RefreshPerspective

    Anyone been to the projects lately?

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  • by paolowogg on August 25th, 2010
    voted: No

    paolowogg

    If the programs do continue they will have to place white males on the list.

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  • by Mikelbf2000 on July 10th, 2010
    voted: No

    Mikelbf2000

    No, It has been abused as a way to gain leverage rather than help equal rights.

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  • by DurableGunny on July 10th, 2010
    voted: No

    DurableGunny

    Martin luther king said it himself "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." what AA does is cause more racial discrimnation everyone has the oprotunity it's not just one race. Reason that African American's are more disatvantage is because they choose that life. This country was based on freedom and opportunity, but it just does come to you have to work for, that why minorities look like they are worse off. Obama worked to get where he is not sit around on his ass, he worked.

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  • by Shikatie on August 8th, 2009

    Shikatie

    yep.

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  • by A Rock In Woolfs Clothing on August 8th, 2009

    A Rock In Woolfs Clothing

    if integration is still unsucessesful maybe a different tack, like people sticking up for each other.

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  • by baby girl on October 21st, 2009

    baby girl

    I would have to say yes due to the company I work for. My company pass up people who are qualified due to who they know and that is not cool. Affirmative action do not stop people from doing what they want to do but, they look around for someone to blame when things do not go right.

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  • by Moongrim on October 22nd, 2009

    Moongrim

    Let's see:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/16/louisiana.interracial.marriage/

    Yes.

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  • by Nemo_S on May 4th, 2010
    voted: No

    Nemo_S

    The only REAL affirmative action that we needed was the return of these people to their own continents, of course I guess it was easier to commit genocide of those that had nothing to do with enslavement of these people and then use them as a surrogate population...

    ~Nemo~

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  • by Spookburger on February 26th, 2011
    voted: No

    Spookburger

    Affirmative action discriminates against the majority. It allows minorities to get further with less effort. People don't respect minorities in the workplace because they assume the minority got 'hooked up' with the job, one that they might not have been able to get with their own real qualifications. My cousin had a 4.6 gpa with many other impressive things on her resume for college and she got turned down, but a mexican with a 4.0 got accepted into the same college that same year. Clearly my cousin was discriminated against because she's white. Affirmative action is a movement that says that being anything other than a common white man is an automatic qualification. It fights discrimination with more blatant discrimination. Affirmative action only weakens society and provides evidence that minorities are often not competent enough to get a job without the help of our liberal government. All of this is done at the expense of the most qualified applicants and the innocent business owners who are forced to hire minorities out of fear of a law suit. How about legitimate equal opportunity?

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  • by Ombliss22 on December 10th, 2010
    voted: No

    Ombliss22

    President not enough?

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  • by Michael_S6999 on December 26th, 2010
    voted: No

    Michael_S6999

    Affirmative Action is still racism. Preferring one race over another while giving less regard to merit is racism pure and simple.

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  • by Alex_D8567 on February 1st, 2011

    Alex_D8567

    Wow all of you make very interesting points, I personally am just trying to write a paper and wanted to see what others thought about this type of situation. I need to figure out which side I am on when it comes to being fair or not. I personally like to just stay in grey than just black or white because if you put all of your opinions into one it just still can't be answered with a debate. Like you ALL have said it's a sensitve subject and no matter what color you are or how you were brought up it still won't change a thing. We all did not experience what really happened back then for either side and we wern't there when the AA was made we also don't know if it is being used for the right reason's or not and I don't think we ever will. I also think i'm getting distracted from writing my paper because I have to pick a side and write about it and I don't think my teacher will except an "I don't know" paper. Any Idea's you all seem very intuative...

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  • by goodbyebag on November 5th, 2010
    voted: Yes

    goodbyebag

    i want to see affirmative action until 80% of the white population is living in slums and the only way to get ahead is to sell crack each other.

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  • by johnny5401 on February 11th, 2010
    voted: No

    johnny5401

    Real simple guys- 12% of the population is black, of that probably 6% are working ages and actually do work. Of that 6% probably 1/3 are in non-blue collar jobs with real advancement potential. So if 98% of the executives and CEO'S etc. Are not black I say ..."sounds about right".

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  • by Great Dane on February 4th, 2010
    voted: Yes

    Great Dane

    The Affirmative Action system is far from perfect. However, it beats discrimination and the 'good ol boy' network.

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  • by Aspergers syndrome on February 5th, 2010
    voted: No

    Aspergers syndrome

    I do mostly support affirmative action. However it should only be used as a tiebreaker.

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  • by kate123 on February 5th, 2010
    voted: No

    kate123

    We will always have these problems...I know in school I got judged by other ethnic groups and called names more freely for being white. I am not at all racist. I refuse to associate with anyone who is. But it is not fair or right for it to be accepted for people to be mean to me bc I am white. Girls got beat up for accidentally bumping into ethnic girls at school bc they were white...My sister is half japanese and had to be taken out of school for kids being so mean to her...and we lived in a normal area...its a very broad range issue...

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  • by American-In-Training on February 7th, 2010
    voted: No

    American-In-Training

    While there are some exceptions, black people generally only have to look at themselves as a big factor for why they have not advanced in the world more than they have.
    Its not always other people's fault.
    There are tons of ego problems and wrong attitudes that get in the way of black people's lives and until these change, black people will not advance.

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  • by feenicks on February 3rd, 2010
    voted: Yes

    feenicks

    For the the people at the Center for Equal opportunity.
    When equal opportunity is available to all I will agree with you.
    As of today opportunity is not available equally, as why would large demographic groups still be overrepresented in one social position or another.
    Are you a CEO of a large company? You are more likely to be male and WASPish.
    Are you a prisoner in one of the "correctional" (what a joke) facilities. You are more likely to be poor and non-white.
    Equal opportunity in action eh?

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  • by MrJosh on February 3rd, 2010
    voted: Yes

    MrJosh

    Yes, we do need affirmative action, but we need to understand it better (and apply it better). At its most basic, affirmative action means that you are taking steps to remove race and sex from the decision making process and include access to all. It is NOT a quota for minorities, and is NOT a policy of giving unqualified minorities positions over qualified white males.

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  • by Anonymous on December 18th, 2009
    voted: Yes

    Anonymous

    But it's done now.

    I just thought it was funny when White folks in California got upset when the amount of White students went down in the top university and they started talking about diversity. I mean you got what you wanted.

    I think it's funny in TX how Affirmative Access isn't really working because it fails to address the fact that the top students from underprivileged areas have a poor quality education and have trouble competing in the top state Colleges and University.

    As long as you are poor you will get the shaft.

    No Child Left Behind my ass!

    The only way to improve problem areas is to focus on them. They should look at how the military went about addressing educational deficiencies with its underprivileged recruits.

    Taking money away from schools that need it and giving extra money to those who don't is backwards.

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