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You're reading If you live in America, and it came time to vote for the President, would you rather vote for a homosexual, an atheist, or a staright Christan? Please, don't down rate me... I want to see a few things.
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Even though most founding fathers were atheist or close to it?
by Inspector Javert on June 3rd, 2007
mrscool, can you explain why the U.S. Constitution does not include the word "God" any place? Or why the Treaty of Tripoli, signed less than a decade later, said that "The American government is in no sense founded on the Christian religion?"
by DannyJ on June 3rd, 2007
No, but it's written on your currency...
The Western way of life is based on the christian model simply because that was the predominant religion at the time. Middle eastern societies are really based around the middle eastern religions, because they are the predominant one there.
As an example, if the Muslims had kept hold of the parts of Europe they had in the medieval wars between them and Christendom, then Europe may have evolved into a predominantly Muslim region... It's whatever rules at the time. Australia is the same. Westernised, Christianity-oriented people founded our constitution, so the constitution and foundation of this country was more oriented towards Christianity than any other religion.
by Shabba on June 3rd, 2007
The founders of the United States were either atheist or pretty damn close to it... the vast majority of them were not Christans. And my point stillremains - who woul you vote for if they were all alike?
by Inspector Javert on June 3rd, 2007
The founders of the United States based everything they did or wrote on the belief in God and the idea that all people should control their own fate as God would have it. You can nitpick and try to create revisionist history if you like Javert but the truth is well known. We are a country founded in the belief that good will triumph over evil, that morals and truth are more important than power and self-interest, and that the teachings of Jesus guide us in this. There are many here that try to deny this but so long as they do not become the majority the U.S. will remain a good and giving nation.
by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on June 3rd, 2007
The founding fathers were not Christan - I'm not trying to rewrite history, thank you. And one does not need relgion in order to be religous, thank you.
by Inspector Javert on June 3rd, 2007
LOL, read your own comment. If you don't laugh at it you are truly...uh, I am not going to say it. You figure it out.
by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on June 3rd, 2007
I made a mistkae - *One does not need religon in order to have morals. I'm a human - pity.
by Inspector Javert on June 3rd, 2007
They may or may not have been Christian, but the fact that it was the predominant religion at the time would have had some sway in the development of their official documents. Regardless of that, western constitution is more closely linked to biblical values than those of other religions, even if it is not religious in itself. In regards to Javert's last comment: that is true, however you have to ask the question where morals come from. Did we just make them up ourselves? No. Most of our morality is an ancient hand-me-down from the religious past, when the religious institution was the majority. If you look at societies around the world, you'll see the same thing, as I mentioned in a previous comment. Everything we have is a hand-me-down from the culture we descended from.
by Shabba on June 3rd, 2007
And? The point being? Even if that is true, it should not matter now. And again - if they all had the same views and opnions, who would you vote for?
by Inspector Javert on June 3rd, 2007
1st, the mistake you think you found was not the one I see. 2nd, your arguements are so nonsensical and contradictory I think I am wasting my time with you. Peace.
by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on June 3rd, 2007
The point is that it does matter, because people will vote based on bias. There are christians out there who will vote for a bad christian leader rather than see a 'heathen' in power (their terminology, not mine). And there are Atheists or other people out there who will deliberately vote against Christians - on principle.
People are biased, judgmental and prejudiced. Even me - it is something I fight against as I know it is not right, but people out there live by it.
If people felt their way of life was threatened by a particular party or policy, they'll vote against it, even if it is a good policy. Just because it's popular and feels good, doesn't make it good for us... otherwise there'd be no such thing as chocolate.
I'm not saying they're right, just attempting to point out the bleeding obvious.
by Shabba on June 3rd, 2007
Yes, I checked my first message and found nothing wrong with it at all. Prehapse with my figures of saying they were not chirstans and then saying the vast majority were not, is essencialy the same thing. And please, do enlighten me as to how I am making nonesnsical and contradictory remarks, please, do enlighten me.
by Inspector Javert on June 3rd, 2007
If you're going to argue on the 'orientation' of the founding fathers, you probably want to cite some resources to back up your case. Here is one site I found on Google after about three seconds of searching.
http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
I'll keep looking. You guys might want to as well before wading into a historical debate...
by Shabba on June 3rd, 2007
EXACTLY! That's what I wanted to whitness, I wanted to see the prejudice of people, how they think and act! And as for historical citations, I will gaher some tomorrow, I haven't the time tonight.
by Inspector Javert on June 3rd, 2007
Actually, "In God We Trust" was not what "Government was founded on". It wasn't adopted as the motto until 1956, during the Cold War and more than 150 years after either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.
If you're going to Bible thump at least get your facts right.
by Possum on January 20th, 2011