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by Anonymous on December 4th, 2009
Is there anyone on AB (other than me) who can look at the healthcare debate objectively?
What republicans are “defending Medicare”? Coburn was not defending Medicare. Rather, he was merely favoring maintaining the status quo.
Not everything can be bifurcated into “Republican” and “Democrat.” Both of the major parties are in favor of changing some aspects of healthcare. However, this disagreement is on what should be changed.
It is not illogical for a person to want to replace Medicare with a private insurance system (which the Republicans are in favor of), but absent that option, being in favor of maintaining Medicare over some other system.
This is not an either/or proposition. So instead of trying to spin the words of the speaker, why not address the merits of what has been said?
What does GOP mean in politics?
by Answerbag Staff on May 31st, 2010
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Suppose a conservative was hanging by their fingers on a cliff. Would you step on their fingers?
by Mister_Bromide on February 10th, 2012
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Where did the GOP originate?
by Answerbag Staff on May 27th, 2010
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What time do religious services start at CPAC 2012? I need to pray for the souls of the homeless so they stop being lazy.
by Mister_Bromide on February 11th, 2012
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Did you think Romney looked as out of place at CPAC 2012 as a conservative working at a McDonald's in the ghetto?
by Mister_Bromide on February 11th, 2012
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You're reading Sen. Tom Coburn asserted Tuesday that the healthcare overhaul will shorten lives of US seniors by cutting Medicare. Republicans are now defending Medicare after trying to kill it outright for 45 years? What gives?
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If you are claiming that the Republican fear mongering about Death Panels and Medicare recipients having to die earlier because we are planning to implement savings that the Republicans themselves advocated, then you have just exposed yourself as either a partisan operative or a shill for the health insurance cartel.
by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on December 4th, 2009
This is what I am talking about. I did not bring up death panels. I merely pointed out your attempt to inaccurately portray (i.e. spin) Coburn’s view; yet you ignored what I wrote and responded with an off-topic partisan attack.
by Anonymous on December 4th, 2009
Coburn's view is as inaccurate as the day is long. If we don't effect savings in Medicare, it will cease to be funded and there will be no coverage from it. Coburn is simply fear mongering. Republicans tried to block Medicare being enacted and have sought to scale it back or privatize it ever since it was established. THey would have done so when they had the votes to do it except for the fact they knew it would be political suicide. Their new-found love of the program is meant only for furthering partisan purposes, not protecting seniors.
I responded to what you wrote, aside from your self referential and constant claims to be the only person on Answerbag who ever views things objectively. That claim is so absurd as to need no rebutal.
by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on December 5th, 2009
I am sure there are other objective people on AB, but they never seem to address the healthcare questions.
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And I was merely pointing out your partisan spin. Yes, the republicans have always opposed socialized medicine (including Medicare), and they still do. However, you are lying when you refer to their “new-found love” for Medicare. The republicans still oppose Medicare. But they oppose even more a system that harms Medicare, and does not replace it with a viable alternative.
by Anonymous on December 6th, 2009
Give me a break. The Republican Party quite rightly has been calling for years for savings in Medicare and for elimination of fraud and abuse. That's all that is happening here.
The Republican Party ran a Presidential Campaign in 2008 promising to do exactly what they are now claiming is going to cause seniors to die early. If claiming that makes sense is your idea of objectivity, and decrying it is partisan spin, then thanks be you are the only person on AB with such a warped idea of what constitutes being objective.
by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on December 6th, 2009
You can argue your partisan agenda all you want, but as long as you are only going to see every issue as "republican" or "democrat," you are going to continually make the same illogical arguments.
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But this he said, she said, is going nowhere. Can you explain how your conclusion is logical (i.e. how Coburn's objection of the current healthcare bill MUST MEAN he favor medicare)?
by Anonymous on December 7th, 2009
That wasn't my conclusion. If you misunderstood me to say that, then let me correct the record. What I said was Coburn's claim that the planned cost savings and elimination of waste would kill seniors is false and is fear mongering. I further said he actively campaigned in 2008 for the very same cost savings he now claims will kill seniors.
by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on December 7th, 2009