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by Robert13 on April 17th, 2007
Y do they call it a sport? well my friend i can tell for sure you are no hunter. Hunting is a very delicate process that can go wrong with one little mix up. Everything has to be perfect for you to succed. Just like in a game no game plan no practice you dont win. Hunting is the same way hunters spend alot of time practing and have a game plan and procedure before every hunt. I guess for me and millions of others it brings such a feeling to a person that you cant even explain. In some cases u say why use a high power well in many places like in pastures or prairies the sight range is miles and even getting within a few hundred yards is a challenge. Also a high power rifle is not always the gun used. Animals dont have guns, well animals also have defense of their own to use against hunters. Not trying to get you all pissed off just trying to give u a quick review of why i think its a sport so give me a reply back.
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in that case, surgery (or any skilled occupation) would also be considered a sport. I don't think I want my surgeon to be a sportsman.
by yoho05 reminds you to DYOH on April 17th, 2007
what do u consider sport than
by Robert13 on April 17th, 2007
A sport is when two opponents of skill, pit their wits in a game, usually requiring physical conditioning.
The hunters argument is a ludicorus one, and can never be considered a sport uness its opponent agrees to partake.
If you are hunting in order to feed your family or tribe, that is one thing, but when you ascribe it to what is basically a bloodsport for the pleasure of low browwed humens, that is a completely different thing.
by steelhamster@aol.com on April 17th, 2007
I don't think you can define it accurately by insisting that there must be TWO opponents to make it a sport.
When I ride a horse, alone, weather for pure pleasure on a trail, or practicing something...it's a sport, I'm trying, generally, to improve the interaction between the horse and myself.
If I take a hike on a mountain, I'm enjoying the sport of mountain climbing...sometimes alone, sometimes with others.
by Redhawk on May 6th, 2007
so you say riding a bike, driving alone in a race, fishing, running, canoeing, abseiling (without a belayer), swimming or even walking (plus many more) are not sports? just because they involve one person. Hunting does require physical conditioning. if you go for a hunt in our hills for example you could end up carrind 90kgs on your shoulders for an hour or so walk, just to get back to flat ground again. and you wont get help also. you need a huge amount of skill to properly hunt, and you dont know the half of what goes on behind the scenes. also hunting is a good way to get rid of unwanted animals on private land without the risk of using poisons or traps. this could include pigs, rabbits and possums.
by Ash on December 4th, 2007
I think we've proved our case...a SPORT can be with single individuals or plural! Happy Trails!
by Redhawk on December 5th, 2007
HUNTING takes skill thats what makes it a sport
by uwtsamow rEdnEck on January 20th, 2008
Poppycock.... you only proved your need to justify brutality to an animal
by steelhamster@aol.com on January 21st, 2008
ok Mr. TreeHugger sir, when i kill an animal, like at the end of the hunt i pray thanking God for creating animals, then i use/ eat every strip of meat on that animal, and if it doesnt have meat on it i dont kill it, If anyone kills an animal and just leaves it, they are not hunters
by uwtsamow rEdnEck on January 21st, 2008
I don't hunt...but I'm a great shot with a gun and pretty darned good with a bow too. I suppose if I NEEDED to hunt in order to feed my family...I might manage to do it. I have to say that all the people I know who DO hunt, do use ALL of the meat and they also use or sell the hide. Not a one of them has a "head" on the wall either. They aren't rich people and they eat and share the meat. I do not believe in hunting for FUR, because WE do not need to do that in most cases...that's wrong in my book. I also believe that hunting Predator Species is fundamentally wrong as well. They HAVE A JOB to do in keeping the Prey species under control. Plus Predators do not reproduce as many or as often as Prey species. Once you upset the balance...the system is screwed up and takes years to get back. I think uwtsamowrEdnEck hunts with the "right" attitude; with a spirit of humbleness and thanksgiving for the life and the gift received. CANNED HUNTS are evil & are NOT hunting at all, but murder.
by Redhawk on January 21st, 2008
Steelhamster have you ever tried hunting? And also the fact that hunting in NZ is widely known and it is also appreciated. We have many rabbits, pigs, deer, possums, hares and other animals that are all nuciences and live in the wrong places. Hunters help to keep these problems low and without them there would be an infestation of rodents (possums). Hunting is also a clean and safe way to kill an animal. A skilled hunter can shoot so the bullet kills on hitting the animal (no pain). If we didn’t have these people we would have to resort to toxins and chemicals. These can also kill our forests and also birds and other small animals, like the kiwi. (Which is very rare as it is!) So people who hunt for this (and also for food.. as we get a lot of good meat from hunting) should not be condemned. They are doing a great job and are helping in a really important way.
by Ash on January 21st, 2008
I hear ya..in PA (USA) we easily have about 5 to 8 DEER per person here. Deer aren't the brightest critters on the planet and in addition to the damage they can do grazing (on the yard you planted and on crops...most small farmers actually over plant so that THEY get some of the crop too), they (the deer) get even dumber during the rut. They cause many car accidents on both surface streets and on Toll Roads or "freeways" where the speeds are over 55mph. It's sad when they get killed, to me, but even sadder is that people too get killed sometimes too when this happens! The Deer can just jump out of nowhere into your vehicle and you can't always stop of avoid them.
by Redhawk on January 22nd, 2008
I have nothing against culling animals in the name of conservation, and any meat/skin garnered would be a by product and ultimately legitimate. However, all the above skirt around the issue as to why it is considered 'sport'?
Highly trained people have the responsibility of keeping the overpopulation of a species down, but they do not think it is a sport, but a profession.
by steelhamster@aol.com on January 22nd, 2008
Oh, ok I get you! I suppose its a matter of semantics in some ways. Since it requires (ideally) some degree of ability and proficiency plus, one would hope, accuracy...so that you are NOT wounding and leaving an animal in pain...but managing a quick kill...it often falls into the sporting mentality. Another reason so many "real" hunters are almost violently AGAINST people who partake in "canned hunts" and "arial hunts"...it's not considered "sporting" to take so many unfair advantages over the animal you are trying to hunt...You already have a gun or a bow...THAT'S your advantage...per se...the animal is supposed to be allowed THEIR advantage as well...talent and speed, knowing the area better than a human likely would.
by Redhawk on January 22nd, 2008
Redhawk: this is true; any other advantage over the animal would be unfair.
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Steelhamster: my partner enjoys hunting. And it is not his profession. He is a baker by trade. But he considers it a sport because he does not do it all the time. He mainly hunts on private farmland (which is good for them because it is a way of saving money on toxins and also animals that they don’t want to be killed) and he needs physical conditioning to carry the animals (mainly pigs) off the land. While it is good for the farmer it is just a sporting activity to him. He needs to practise his shot and needs to be fit to manage to hunt properly. While he does shoot on DOC land sometimes (department of conservation) which is purely for sporting as you need licences and forms to be able to do it. Another factor is the rules. When hunting you need to hunt in season, you have a limit on what you can catch (hunting and fishing), you can only hunt in “your” square (you get assigned DOC land so people don’t end up shooting others), there are fines if you do bad stuff and you need a licence to shoot. There are probably many more, but as I am not a hunter I would not know them.
by Ash on January 22nd, 2008
Just seems like a funny thing to call a sport. You wouldn't call bear baiting or cockfighting a sport would you..... or would you?
by steelhamster@aol.com on January 23rd, 2008
nope..I'd call that abuse of an animal, and immoral.
by Redhawk on January 23rd, 2008
Yet, there are people who ardently call it a sport.... seems like a parallel to me.
by steelhamster@aol.com on January 23rd, 2008
what are you trying to imply?
by uwtsamow rEdnEck on January 23rd, 2008
No implication intended, just a matter of opinion
by steelhamster@aol.com on January 24th, 2008
Now that we've managed to come all the way around the mulberry bush........The "sport" is in the ability to track, to be quiet, to be still and to be ACCURATE with your shot...this can also apply to shooting cans or paper targets or straw bales, excepting that there is no living creature evolved...I love shooting, both guns and bows...but I shoot at TARGETS that are not breathing...THAT is the only difference. If the target is alive it is called hunting.
by Redhawk on January 24th, 2008
This will be an ever debated subject, but my point about the animal no being a willing participant is well founded.
by steelhamster@aol.com on January 25th, 2008
Is it? As a rule I would agree, but from a Native American perspective...not necessarily true as we believe that the animal also gives its life that others may live...both in the rational and beneficial thinning of the herds and in providing food for The People to sustain them.
by Redhawk on January 27th, 2008
Don't you know hunters go againist each other like fish. Who can catch the most or who can get the biggist
by Perdita on July 1st, 2009
Some do, and some do not! I can not generalize people that way. I know a lot of kind hunters here, provide me with FREE MEAT and I appreciate it greatly, because my dogs and cats are all raw fed, since July of 2008.
by Redhawk on July 2nd, 2009
Well you dont always have dont have to have 2 ppl playing a sport anyway. Like in horse back riding like I think u said
by Perdita on July 2nd, 2009
Yupper! Three-day eventing (horse) is assuredly a sport! Ride and Tie, Jumping, cross country riding...all horse sports!
by Redhawk on July 2nd, 2009
I never rode but it seem like a cool thing to do.
by Perdita on July 4th, 2009
So what you are saying is that you murder animals for your own pleasure! Animals have to suffer and die for your pleasure! Baby animals have to be left to die of starvation because you have killed their mother for your pleasure! You must feel good!
by Account Closed on January 31st, 2010
Lets even up the playing field if you call it a sport. Instead of the hunter shooting the animal from 1/2 a mile away. He should put down his rifle go up to the bear and challenge it to a wrestle. That way the bear knows the hunter is there and not cowardly hiding 1/2 a mile away behind a bush with a high powered rifle with a zoom scope. Any brave hunters out there?
by Account Closed on February 1st, 2010