by morrisonhimself on May 28th, 2009

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If taxation is not theft, what is it? If theft is defined as taking from another by use of force, how can taxation not be theft?

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  • by Im Alec has abandoned this account on May 28th, 2009

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    But theft is *not* defined as taking from another by use of force. It is not theft to reclaim your own property from a thief. It is not theft to claim a clearly owed debt by the use of bailiffs. Equally, picking pockets and shoplifting do not use force but are still theft. Theft is taking that to which you are not entitled, with or without force.

    Now, it is a matter of debate whether the government is entitled to levy taxes, and how much they are entitled to do so. But if they are so entitled, then it is not theft to collect them. There is an argument that any organisation, from a health club to a nation, is entitled to levy membership fees. In the case of the Government, these fees are called taxes. If you don't want to be a member, leave the club. This argument may or may not be realistic, but you must answer it before you call taxation theft.

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    • Thank you! This is a very good answer.
      I have, because of your reasoning, gone back to my question and changed the wording to "initiatory force."
      I will add this: I never "joined" whatever government it is that points a gun at me and says "hand over your taxes."
      So that analogy does not hold up.
      I can point to, as just one example, the Soviet Union that considered all peoples and persons within reach to be property, and when Jews asked to be able to leave, to go to Israel, for example, they were told they couldn't leave until they "paid back" the state for their education.
      Nobody ever asked "do you want this?" If something is forced on you, how can you reasonably be told you must pay for it?

      morrisonhimself

      by morrisonhimself on May 28th, 2009

    • Well, rats. It seems I can't change my question. Sorry.

      morrisonhimself

      by morrisonhimself on May 28th, 2009

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