by msminnamouse on December 22nd, 2008

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Is there any REAL proof that Jesus even really existed? Things that aren't real include the shroud of Tourin and the Jesus Box and the like.

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  • by hedge-rider on April 24th, 2009

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    Yes. There are records of him in an old Roman record, I believe (although if it's a census record or a reporting of his "trial" I don't quite remember).

    Plus, there are quite a few non-Jewish historians and philosophers of the day who mentioned him in writings during the time.

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    • That's NOT proof.

      msminnamouse

      by msminnamouse on February 14th, 2012

    • What are you defining as proof? Like a DNA sample?

      hedge-rider

      by hedge-rider on February 14th, 2012

    • Something that would hold up in court, to prove that he existed beyond a reasonable doubt. So yes, DNA evidence that he existed. THAT is evidence.

      msminnamouse

      by msminnamouse on February 17th, 2012

    • Got any DNA for Pontius Pilate or Julius Caesar? Most historians used to think that Pilate never existed until the last century. Most don't doubt that Julius Caesar existed and there is more evidence that Jesus existed than that of Julius.

      Texasescimo

      by Texasescimo on February 17th, 2012

    • Witness testimony DOES hold up in court. Thus, if records and historical accounts from his time period attest to his existence, then you have your proof - according to the definition you set down.

      However, I'm quite certain, from what I've gathered from your other comments on this question, that you've already made up your decision to this answer. So for YOU, no, there doesn't seem to be any proof that's good enough. For the rest of the scholarly world, there is as adequate proof as is needed for any/all figures beyond the time that DNA evidence (as Texasescimo states) or photographic evidence were possibly collected.

      hedge-rider

      by hedge-rider on March 8th, 2012

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