How do JW's view transgendered people?

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• Thanks for avoiding the question.

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  by Randoley on March 17th, 2009

• never mind after reading it a second time, I get what you are saying.

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  by Randoley on March 17th, 2009

• Randoley, you may notice that many in this thread, have just joined AB to answer this question. They are called sock-puppet accounts. Not that all on this thread is one person, but several avatars are pretending to be different people. One person, that used to be a JW, trying to play both sides as if he is really a JW for the purpose of discrediting JW's. I and most others do not usually respond when we recognize them. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms26:4-5;2John1:9-11;1Cor%205:11&version=NASB;NKJV;NCV;ESV;KJV

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  by Texasescimo on October 4th, 2009

• I wish my story were make believe but it is all too real. Unfortunately your arrogance in ignoring a very real disorder will , and is, costing lives of people who only want to serve Jehovah with a clean conscience! If the "elders" I am forced to deal with were only acting with the fruitages of the spirit I would not have anything to post! I wish that would be the case as, because of the actions of those men, Jehovah's people do not appear to be as loving as they/we claim to be!
  
  You men lump me in with people who do this for sexual reasons. For that reason I have made it so I cannot have sex anymore and will be living what is left of my life as a eunich! I made the change for the sole reason that I could not live a double life anymore and was faced with suicide or this. Men like you don't care about that! Where is the love you claim to have for all who want to serve Jehovah?

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  by Jessica196 on October 4th, 2009

• If it is a condition of the mind, you might take these scriptures into consideration. (Rom 12:1-2; Rom 7:23; Col 3:5; Rom 1:26-27; 1Cor 6:9; Tit2:12; 2Tim 4:3)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom%2012:1-2;Rom%207:23;Col%203:5;Rom%201:26-27;1Cor%206:9&version=NASB;NKJV;HCSB;ESV;KJV /././ http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit2:12;%202Tim%204:3&version=NASB;NKJV;HCSB;ESV;KJV
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  One might feel in their mind that they want more than one wife or live in girl friends, but the Bible is pretty set on sexual issues. If you feel that JW's are so wrong on this and that you need to post all of this on the internet then obviously you or them does not have the truth. If I was convinced that I was right about an issue and the religion that I was associated with taught the opposite, I would leave. If I was not fully convinced, I sure would not try to put them in a bad light. I am sure that there are plenty of religions that will tell you what you want to hear.

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  by Texasescimo on October 4th, 2009

• Did you say you were a eunuch? Women can't be eunuchs, unless you...never mind I won't go into how you would have to surgical alter a woman so she couldn't have sex. Also there is not a doctor in the world who would do such a mutilation to a person. I think you are confused or made it up.

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• I am not making it up! I know what I am talking about. I can't have sex. Doctors WILL do that if you request it. I did that on purpose to prove that this is not a sexual problem! GID is a mental health issue that affects ones will to live! When people like you get over your arrogant, know it all aditude and see this problem for what it is then maybe you see us as people who are doing the best we can with a very difficult disorder. Instead of kicking us out when we need support the most, you will follow Jesus' example show the compassion he displayed. I am the same person I always was inside. The friends I still have see that! The only difference IS my apearence. But men cannot see past that and assume I did this for all the wrong reasons. (1Sa. 16:7 & Ga. 2:6) You only "help" you offer is to try to force us into doing something that maks you feel good with no reguard for what it does to us. If we don't submit we lose everyone we care about with no end in sight. That is torture

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• I want to know how it was done, and why you would do that to yourself. By definition only men can be eunuchs.

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• Well, if you must know, there two ways it can be done. One is the doctor will do the surgery and just make it so you are a non functioning female. This is done for especially older people for who are past the point of sex. The other way, which is what I chose, is not to keep up with dialation which causes the newly made vagina to heal up. I did this on purpose because my conscience will not allow me to be with anyone of either gender. The sole reason I made the transition is that I could not keep living what I knew was a double life and no amount of consul would make the feelings go away. I had tried for 35 years. You don't know how often I prayed for Jehovah to end my life or make me comfortable as a man but as I got older the guilt got worse especially when I was giving public talks. I could not even enjoy being with my wife because I felt like a lesbian. So it was either suicide or this. I tried suicide 6 times. Next time it will work as I have lost everything else.

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• Why not just don't have sex period instead of mutilating and hating yourself? I think God would be less pleased with that.
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  I don't understand. What parts were you born with?

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• I don't hate myself. For the first time in my life when I look in the mirror I see what I expect to see. You take that for granted. I never had that. The parts I was born with is not the issue. It is how the brain is wired. My was wired female.
  What I hate is how the organization that I love, because it is Jehovah's representive here on earth, is treating me. I cannot imagine Jesus treating me this way! He had the greatest compassion for everyone suffering every kind of disorder. I have not abandoned or turned my back on the truth or Jehovah as most have accused me of doing. I have kept up with the literature and personal study and my prayers like never before. I just can't live with the fact that I will never be allowed to serve Jehovah or have my family or friends back for the rest of my life, or armegeddon, unless I go back to living what is, for me, a double life. That I know Jehovah would not be pleased with. Why don't I get to serve with a complete heart?

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• Maybe you should stop following a cult that doesn't love or care about you? Any religion that has driven you to suicide can't be from God.

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• I don't consider them as a cult. I firmly belive it is the true religion. I just feel that they don't have the proper understanding of what this disorder is all about. If they did I know I would not be treated this way. So, in the mean time, I am stuck between a "rock and a hard place" with no other way out except to join the world and that I will never do. I dedicated my life to server Jehovah and not the world. I just wish they would see me as Jehovah sees me, a person who sincerly loves him and wants to serve him to the best of my ability.
  So I either live alone or not at all. Since I am already dead to my friends and family the choice is simple.

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• If you have desires but use self control, that is not living a double life. Although we are not under the Mosaic law, there are some principles that would still apply such as (Deu 22:5). I don't think that if we are not suppossed to cross dress, even more we should not change from male to female. That could equate to hiding what you are or be deceiving. (Psalms 26:4) The scriptures that you cited, 1Sam 16:7; Gal 2:6, are very much taken out of context and in no way supports having a sex change. There are just so many principles that apply that I don't see how an honest person could be saying the things that you are saying. If you think that having a sex change is okay, that would be hard to teach the truth from the Bible. (Rom 2:21-24)
  (Mark 10:6) However, from [the] beginning of creation ‘He made them male and female
  
  Romans 1:26-27 "That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error".

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  by Texasescimo on October 5th, 2009

• Randoley, you had it right earlier: "I think you are confused or made it up."
  Quote from answer, Jessica196 on Apr 25, 2009 at 1:20 pm under comment, Sep, 18 2009 at 09:39 PM: " I don't care anymore. Let them see the friuts of their love."
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  Quote from above, Oct, 05 2009 at 09:42 AM: "What I hate is how the organization that I love, because it is Jehovah's representive here on earth, is treating me."
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  Quote: "I don't consider them as a cult. I firmly belive it is the true religion."
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  Obviously, someone is trying to make it appear as if they are supportive of JW's but trying to solicit hate. Very deceptive.

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  by Texasescimo on October 5th, 2009

• You can think what you want,I know my backround.
  
  As for the scripturs you cite,Romans does not apply because I did not do this for sexual reasons. I cannot have sex any longer. I did that to silence that argument.
  
  Also, do you think I did this because I love to crossdress? If I did not firmly believe I was female I would never walk into a Kingdom Hall dressed as a woman! It would be unthinkable!
  
  You cite Mark 10:6 and I agree that is true, in a perfect world but we are over 6K years from Adam's creation! Did you forget that?
  
  Instead of condeming me why not try to understand this disorder for what it is, a mental health issue! My brain is wired female and my sex was the opposite! Jehovah's people have shown great compassion for all kinds of disorders. I am asking the same consideration. If one's sex was only determined by what is between your legs there would not be people like me!
  Self control did not change the way my brain is wired and did not end the guilt I felt!

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• One last thing. if I did not completely believe I was female I would not have, stepped down as a servant in the congregation, risked losing my family and friends, spent thousands of dollars on surgery and made it so I could never have sex again if I did not think there was any other options. I am not stupid! I have been trying for over 35 years and I was doing fine until the depression and guilt got too great to handle. That is why I chose suicide. I knew that, even though Jehovah knows my heart, His people would never understand this. I have known that since I was a teenager. I just did not think I would be banned from the Kingdom Hall and all conventions and treated with such prejudice! Jehovah's people have fought for over 100 years against that. I am still a human and want those same considerations! Follow Jesus' example please!

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• Homosexuals would say the same thing, "My brain is wired female and my sex was the opposite" what is the difference.
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  I go back to what I said before, Leave That Cult. They don't love you, or will even acknowledge your existence. Real followers of God would not do that. They would help you cope with what you feel and learn to live with it instead of cutting your self up and destroying the creation that God made.
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  I do not believe in sex before marriage. I am 40 years old and still a virgin. If I am 80 years old and unmarried I plan on staying a virgin. There are life style choices you can make if you are serious about pleasing God without cutting things off. mutilating your body and destroying God's creation is not the only choice.
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  If you are telling the truth, I think you mental disorders go way beyond thinking you are a girl in a man's body. People who think clearly do not do what you have said you've done.

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• Stop comparing me with homosexuals! If I had any feelings toward men at all don't you think I would have stayed functiong instead of letting it heal up???

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• Stop using the same excuses the gays do then.
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  Actually I'm having a hard time believing what you are saying. Why would God show you the "true" religion then create you in way that keeps you from being part of it. None of what you are saying makes any sense.

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• I am sorry. I do not know anything about what gays believe or feel or anything. I have tried to stay away from them because Jehovah condems the practice and because I did not want to be confused with them.
  I don't know the answer to your second question either. I have spent many hous in tearful prayer asking the same question. I only know what I am going through and I can't take it anymore. Why couldn't I have just had cancer or something? Why this? Why did it haave to get so unbearable? Those in the congregation all loved me. Many still do. Why couldn't I just hang in there a little longer? Why didn't the suicide atemps work? The doctors said they should have.
  All I know is that I still love Jehovah with all my heart and am trying to to the best I can. Why can't people understand that? Why hate me?

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• because their religion tells them too. Leave that religion. The religion you have chosen to follow seems to be the root of all your problems.

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• My family and my only child are all still in that religion and will never leave! I would not want them to anyway. I am just stuck. Your religion is not supposed to cause these kind of problems. I could understand if I was living a immoral life or something but I truely am doing the best that I can!

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• My faith would not cause these sorts of problems. Jesus would not cause these sorts of problem. Only a cult that wants to control you would. Forget about that false religion and discover the real Jesus.

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  by Randoley on October 5th, 2009

• Someone got the results they were seeking, clever. Randoley, I think that you are sincere and I respect that. uns

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  by Texasescimo on October 5th, 2009

• You are imputing wrong motives to me and you have no right to do that! That is the problem I face. Everyone THINKS they know my heart instead of listening to what is said. Everyone assumes I did this for purly sexual reasons or to make the Witnessis look bad. No one cares about anything we are going through as long as our appearence does not make you feel uncomfortable.
  
  Also, I have always felt the Witnesses had the truth. If I didn't I would give up and look for the truth somewhere else, in spite of my family.
  
  Tesasescimo, if you really believe the scriptures that you quote so easily, then you know that the greatest command, that of love, would mean you should try to understand what I am going through instead of judging me. A true Christian would follow Jesus' example and want to help all those who are suffering. You don't even know me and assume you know my motives and heart condition! Shame on you!

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  by Jessica196 on October 5th, 2009

• A true Christian wouldn't be a member of a cult. Can't you see that all of your problems result from that religion? Not your sexual desires, not your confusion over what sex you are, not your family and friends rejecting you, not your self hatred. All of it results from the false religion that you insist on clinging to even though it has cut the strings already.

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  by Randoley on October 6th, 2009

• What about that religion do you object to? Their interpatation on the scriptures cited above? The way they treat those who have transitioned? The fact that you consider them a cult? What is it.
  
  I don't object to anything else they teach. I just feel that they are loosly apling scriptures to get the answers they want to hear. That way they can say Jehovah must feel this way about you if he felt this way about them. That is comparing apples and oranges.
  
  I would rather they admit they don't understand the disorder and try to see it for what it is. Maybe then the love of the Christ will take over and they will see there are honest hearted transgendered people who are doing their best to live by bible principals and should be treated with love. Not cast off like a leper!
  If you were to meet me on the street you would never know of my past unless I told you. You would probably like me as a person. Most people do. Then if I told you my past would you then hate me? Is that Christian?

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  by Jessica196 on October 6th, 2009

• Your last three lines are perfect, total logic and truth. Awsome.

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  by jessica196...listen. on October 6th, 2009

• This is what the Witnesses are doing to thransgedered people. For everyone else in the world they say"your past is not important as long as you have repented from your sins and turned around". To transgendeded people they say "we don't hov well you are following bible principals it is your past life we can't live with.
  If I am doing my best to live by bible principals now why should my past matter when it does not for anyone else. Where is the trust in Jehovah to "straighten all things out". In the meantime wouldn't the Christian thing to do to be to show love to all lovers of Jehovah reguardless of their backround. Dosn't He require us all to just do the best we can within our given situations? This should not be a problem if one is showing Christian love to all without discrimination!

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  by Jessica196 on October 6th, 2009

• I object to how the JW's deny the nature of Jesus as God in human form.

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  by Randoley on October 6th, 2009

• OK, Well that is a whole different subject that I won't get into with you here. We are all entitled to our own opinioms whether others agree with them or not. As long as you are trying to serve God to the best of your ability with the knowledge you have, which only you and He know. It is not my place to judge only to show Christian love, that Jesus displayed, towared you, if we were to meet.

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  by Jessica196 on October 6th, 2009

• As long as your religion calls my Lord a liar I would have to reject you. I would be nice about it but, Jesus called Himself God, and you people call Him a liar.

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  by Randoley on October 6th, 2009

• Wow, I never heard it put that way, but Ok. If I ever met someone like you with that viewpoint I would have to find other areas where we agreed and build on them instead of letting the things that we disagree on cause me not to get to know you as, I would bet, you are a nice person. You, obviously, are sincere in your belief of the scriptures. So we have that in common. Even Jesus made friends with the Samaritans even though they only accepted only the Pentatuch.

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  by Jessica196 on October 6th, 2009

• Vickki - you are a fraud
  
  You are the one that hacked my account.
  I followed the links and it leads me back to YOU.

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  by Perryman on October 11th, 2009