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that is rediculous he does so throughout the New Testament. His reference to himself as the Son of Man comes from Daniel 7 and is a blatant claim to be the Messiah. John 17 "Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by comleting the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." Only God was present before the world began.
by smsedmc on November 22nd, 2006
If everyone believed the new testament to be a true unaltered account of the facts, then I would say you are correct...however, there have many revisions, additions and deletions. Islam exists partially because of this.
by mysticdeliria on November 23rd, 2006
You can also look at John 20:28-29, where Jesus confirms the disciple Thomas' claim of Jesus being God.
by smsedmc on November 29th, 2006
Again, not convincing to someone who doesn't believe in those books. Try quoting a book that is not linked to the Judeo-Christian Religion...If everyone agreed with the Bible, we'd all be christians.
by mysticdeliria on November 29th, 2006
okay, from that perspective how can you believe anything from historical accounts. How do we know that Plato or Aristotle taught what we hold them to; they didn't write this, their followers did. There are more manuscripts for the Bible than any other historical text, by several thousand, and every single one of them makes the same claims of the deity of Christ. Yes there are scribal errors in these text, but no error ever found in any of the text has one iota to do with any theological teaching of Jesus. The Bible was written by people that followed Jesus for 3 1/2 years, listened to his teachings and recorded them, their is no better source for what he believed than that, and if you don't believe that then you shouldn't have enough faith to trust anything that your world history teachers have taught you at school because the evidence is overwhelming in support of the faithfulness of the Bible; whether or not you believe in it or not. What you believe about the Bible makes no difference on whether it is true, all we can base that on is historical evidence, which says it is faithful to Jesus' teaching.
by smsedmc on December 1st, 2006
Then why aren't more people in the world Christians? Why are people converting to Islam in droves? It's the fasting growing religion in the world, and the two very basic differences between Christianity and Islam are 1. Muslims don't believe Jesus to be the son of God. and 2. Mohammed was a prophet. The question was, why do muslims accept Jesus as a prophet when he claimed to be the son of God. My answer, muslims don't believe he claimed to be the son of the God, that's why. You can quote as much scripture as you want, but to convince a Muslim you'll have to quote the Qur'an.
by mysticdeliria on December 2nd, 2006
the Quran was compiled by people that did not know Jesus, and wasn't even written until over 600 years after Jesus died, the Bible was written by the people that followed Jesus, and actually talked to him. Logic would hold that it would be the more reliable source. I can compare the Qur'an and show you the differences and show you how it contradicts the Bible in numerous areas (not just on Jesus). To follow your logic, if someone were to say that the world was flat, I would have to prove them wrong on their own logic, and ignore all external evidence that contradicts them. The Qur'an contradicts itself several times, just not on it's belief of Jesus being a prophet, but that does not mean it is correct, especially since a more reliable source (written by his own disciples) says he is God.
by smsedmc on December 11th, 2006
WOW! You really don't seem to understand the question, do you? If you simply paused for a second and stopped trying to prove how superior your religion is, you might actually notice that you are debating something that is ENTIRELY off topic! The question has nothing to do with the differences between the bible and the Qur'an, it has to do with one belief of a religion that you seem intent to prove is somehow invalid. I am not even a muslim, and I am offended by the way you seem to attack and attempt to demean the muslim people and way of life all over this site. You are exactly what's wrong with this world, you spread ethnocentrism and intolerance to make yourself feel superior. Why don't you take a look at the similarities between the religions rather than the differences? Why don't you try to see that essentially all religions preach the same thing, peace, tolerance, the pursuit of knowledge, and devotion to God through kindness to his people?
by mysticdeliria on December 11th, 2006
well actually I am on topic because the religions have differing views of Jesus, they are conflicting and both cannot be right. They draw their views from their respective scriptures, so to show that one view is right over the other you have to prove which book is more reliable. It is not a matter of bigotry, it is simply that people don't look at the issue, and try to intermingle everything to paint a pretty picture, it just can't be done. I know full well the similarities of the religions, as well as the differences, and although their are similarities, they are at a very basic level. It is not an issue of intolerance, but I just want people to actually think about what they believe.
by smsedmc on December 11th, 2006
You really think that you, smsedc, on answerbag, is going to somehow "prove which book is more reliable"? Well, if you were able to do that, you'd have accomplished something that God himself has not yet done! Good Luck with that endeavour. Why do you need to prove anything, the question doesn't ask "is the Christian view or Muslim view of Jesus more reliable"? The question asks specifically about what Muslims believe about Jesus, not what the Christians, Hindus, Mormons or anyone else believes. It is no one's place to prove the validity of any other religion's books, that will be sorted out in the end. For now, just concentrate on those basic similarities and understand that the muslim people have a right to their book and opinion as you are yours, and whether Jesus is God or Prophet we will all find out for sure when he returns.
by mysticdeliria on December 11th, 2006
calm down. Nobody is being attacked here. I know I won't prove anything, but maybe I might get one person to step outside of the box and think about why they believe what they do. If a Muslim reads what I say and does some research to find a valid answer for them, great, at least they have a reason for what they believe. It is the responsibility of everyone to prove to themselves the validity of any religion, or else we would just follow what the next person says. If you don't have a reason for believing what you believe then why believe it. I never said the Muslims don't have a reason to believe what they believe, I just want them to see both sides of the coin. Every religion is mutually exclusive, if one is right then all of the others are wrong, that cannot be denied. Any attempt to combine religions doesn't understand the premise for either one of them.
by smsedmc on December 11th, 2006
Regarding all the bible quoting for answers to questions not pertaining to Christianity, I will quote ChrisDG in his response to bow2thelord's postings "...but you have to understand that for the majority of people, the Bible is less important than a London Underground train timetable." Particularly to those who believe Jesus to be a good prophet.
by mysticdeliria on December 14th, 2006
And since this conversation is falling on deaf ears (both of ours), I say that we agree to disagree on this issue and move on. I don't agree that any one religion has to proven right (I think that there is validity in all religions and I believe that one day we will see that the truth is actually a grand mixture of everyone getting it a little right, but no one religion will emerge as champion) and you seem to believe that only you are right. Fine. Let's leave it at that, good luck to you. If you'd like to continue this conversation further, please email me.
by mysticdeliria on December 14th, 2006
I'm sorry to say, but Jesus was no God, nor the son of. He was simply a man inspired by a god's lessons, who could teach moral lessons of life. It is time, and religious zealots who made him into the son of God. Quote your Bible all you want. I don't see how anyone can trust that damn thing after its been altered so much by humanity over the centuries. And before you get started--no, I'm not Muslim, not am I taking a Muslim stance on the issue. Its called common sense.
by Ahnighito on December 27th, 2006
Have you read the Bible, Jesus did not claim to be GOD. But claimed to be the Son of GOD John 10.36
by Alfred Brown on January 3rd, 2007
Alfred: As a seminary student and missionary, I have read the Bible several times over, and he does make the claim of being God. He refers to himself as the Son of Man, which is a reference Daniel 7 and to being the Messiah (which is also affirmed by John 6:29); which according to Isaiah 7:14 is Immanuel literally 'God with us', meaning God in human form. This is confirmed by John 6:33 & 38 where Jesus makes the claim of coming down from Heaven to give life to the world.
John 20:27-28 Jesus affirms Thomas for calling Jesus God, and blesses others to come that make the same claim. John 8:58 most scholars believe Jesus' claim of being 'I Am' is the greek translation of YHWH, a very blatant claim of being God. If this is not the case he is at least making the claim of being over 4,000 years old. This combined with John 6:39 where he says he will come back to raise up those who believe in him shows that he believed he was eternal in existence.
Yes, Jesus does claim to be God.
by smsedmc on January 3rd, 2007
mysticdeliria: "Jesus never claimed to be God, or his son for that matter." ... on WHAT grounds can you make this claim?! The Gospels of the New Testament were written down as little as 20 YEARS after the death/resurrection of Christ Jesus ... the Qur'an was written down 700 YEARS after the death/resurrection of Christ Jesus! ... How can Muslims know (assuming that Muslims reject the Gospels of Christ Jesus) what Christ Jesus did or did not say?! Thank you.
by brian_griffith on February 4th, 2007
I merely stated the muslim belief (as the question asked). Why do they accept him as a good prophet, because they do not believe he claimed to be the son of God. Very simple. Thank you.
by mysticdeliria on February 5th, 2007
mysticdeliria: "... because they do not believe he claimed to be the son of God." ... well, I disputed your answer because you said "Jesus never claimed to be God" rather than "THEY SAY THAT Jesus never claimed to be God" ... so it was more of a PERSONAL opinion/argument ... rather than a stating of the facts. Thank you.
by brian_griffith on February 5th, 2007
No problem, I just assumed that since it was a question on the muslim position the answer would be taken in such a context. It is not a personal opinion.
by mysticdeliria on February 6th, 2007
That's bull, read all the gospels, i know he mentions it in there somewhere.
by needhelpbadly on February 7th, 2007
needhelpbadly, since this is a question about MUSLIM beliefs, the gospels will not help with the answer. You have to read the book that the muslims believe, not what the christians believe.
by mysticdeliria on February 7th, 2007
i agree mystic. why is there so much bible quoting for a question that asked about moslems?
by tututut on February 7th, 2007
If Jesus did not claim that He was The Son of God who came to redeem us by becoming the ultimate Paschal Lamb, then what exactly did He teach? If you don't trust The New Testament accounts of all this, then why do you believe He even existed at all? And why were there so many willing to die to spread this message, if it wasn't true? Peter was an eyewitness to all these things and was willing to get crucified upside down to propagate this message. Paul who was a great persecutor of Christians before he was converted was beheaded.What was their motivation? They weren't promised 72 virgins, I know that!
by Tahoe45 on February 18th, 2010
I think the issue is as Christians we follow the New & Old Testiments and the new Testiment is where we gain our Faith that Jesus is God or part of the God Head.
Muslims follow the Qur'an, which does not follow the New Testiment it has its own doctrine that the Muslims follow. I would say from what is being said in there Jesus is probably looked at as a prophet rather than what the Christians as myself believe.
http://christianfindings.blogspot.com/
by wanelad on February 19th, 2010