by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on February 9th, 2009

Joseph Smith was a fraud  and Eisegete

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He cried...
Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son?
Why would anyone in the Mormon church say such a thing?

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  • by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on February 14th, 2009

    Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here

    SHORT ANSWER: This was a secret Masonic cry for distress which Joseph Smith, Jr. cried out when he was being assassinated and recognized several FreeMasons among his assailants.

    It was an appeal to these fellow Masons to stop their attack and come to his aid.

    LONG ANSWER: This is covered in detail in Mormon Historian Reed C. Durham's classic April 20, 1974 address on Mormonism's links to FreeMasonry entitled, "Is There No Help For The Widow's Son?" which was delivered when The Mormon History Association held its Convention at Nauvoo, Illinois, in the old, historic Nauvoo Hotel that year.

    This cry for distress is taken from the FreeMason legend of Hiram Abbif's murder. Here's a clip from that portion of Mr. Durham's address:

    13) Solomon and his builders, the Masons, while building and excavating for the temple at Mt. Moriah, discovered the cavern and the sacred treasure.

    14)After three attempts to obtain the treasure, they were finally successful. Those Masons were very rejoiceful upon receiving these preserved Mysteries.

    15) But. three wicked men intervened and committed a horrible crime. They attempted to force one of the Masons, one of the faithful Masons who had discovered the treasure. Hiram Abif; or Hiram, the widow's son, to reveal the hiding (place) and the contents of the hidden treasure.

    16) He would not reveal his knowledge and therefore they killed him.

    17) While being slain, Hiram. with uplifted hands, cried out, "Oh Lord, My God, is there no help for the widow's son?" This has since become a general Masonic distress call.

    18) Then three loyal Masons, seeking revenge, pursued the three evil ones.
    http://www.concernedchristians.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=42&func=view&id=75179&catid=530#75179

    I would consider this article a "must read" for anyone interested in Mormon History or the true history of Joseph Smith's death.

    This is also covered in the excellent Bill McKeever video on Joseph Smith's assassination which I have attached.

    The following Audio Interview with lifetime FreeMason and Born-in-the-Covenant Mormon, and LDS Apologist Greg Kearney also covers this event in some good detail.
    http://www.concernedchristians.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=42&func=view&id=69507&catid=522#69507

    Here are some other general resources regarding Mormonism's linkage to FreeMasonry.
    http://www.concernedchristians.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=42&func=view&id=75077&catid=522
    http://www.concernedchristians.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=42&func=view&id=74871&catid=10#74871

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    • What you write here is a great answer, but I caution everyone that "Concerned Christians" is known for its bias against Mormonism. I've encountered their hatred before, so I didn't follow the links you provided.

      laie_techie

      by laie_techie on February 14th, 2009

    • That's an interesting "take" I've been on the board for some time and what I've observed that is that some LDS bristle against the board rules which are specifically designed to keep discussions aligned with the board mission statement which is:
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      "Concerned Christians welcomes all who wish to discuss, debate and learn about the differences which separate the LDS religion from Biblical Christianity; to separate truth from falsehood, and fact from fiction."
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      Specifically some of the LDS who wander onto the board aren't prepared to argue evidence, data and facts and rely on irrational feeling based "evidence" such as their Mormon Testimony.
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      When their arguments are overcome by evidence, data, and fact they leave in a huff shouting that they were "persecuted for their faith" while on CC - which is simply untrue.
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      Also you will note that the links are to the portal pages - with LDS scholarly content - that I created in the Documentation Section NOT the discussion board.

      Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here

      by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on February 14th, 2009

    • I treat "Concerned Christians" almost the same as "Joseph Lied". There may be individual pages which aren't specifically anti, but I don't want to wade through anti material to find it.

      laie_techie

      by laie_techie on February 15th, 2009

    • Which is why I provide direct links. I can't control the other posters - LDS or non-LDS - and I've seen rude, disrespectful behavior from BOTH sides on CC, AB, Wordpress, and just about every board I've been on that has LDS/non-LDS dialog exchanges. Ever read some of the commments on Amazon? Oy vey!
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      CC is a whole HECK of a lot better than many of the boards out there. AND the CC Moderators don't mince words about their purpose and the board rules. The boundaries are clear.
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      And, like most things in life you have to take the "perks with the quirks" on these boards. There are things that I love and things that I HATE about AB -- but I'm still here tossing the ball around.

      Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here

      by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on February 15th, 2009

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