by branciforte3241 on March 29th, 2007

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If you are opposed to gay marriage, how do you feel about someone getting a sex-change operation and then entering into a "straight" marriage?

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  • by A chillin buttercup on December 14th, 2008

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    Maybe we could just have equal laws for gay partnerships, and not call it marriage, thats all anyone really wants i think, i really don't care what people do aslong as they are happy and harmonius ;0)

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    • Sure. We could have a SEPARATE word BUT with EQUAL rights. But that didn't go over very well in the 1950's with the "colored" people.

      What would work is if ALL couples had a civil union and we could leave it to the Church to exclude anyone they wanted to from the term "marriage". It's not fair, since marriage has always been a civil institution, though the church did coopt it in the 7th century.

      branciforte3241

      by branciforte3241 on December 14th, 2008

    • Yeh, that sounds like a good idea, i'd rather have a civil union anyway ;0)

      A chillin buttercup

      by A chillin buttercup on December 14th, 2008

    • Branciforte is correct. That would just be separate but not equal. I want equal rights...I want to get married and have the same rights as other married couples...and I want to call it marriage. Anything else is NOT equal.

      redcatt63 is around here somewhere......

      by redcatt63 is around here somewhere...... on December 14th, 2008

    • I don't think having the label of "marriage" makes it equal, i think it may be to antagonise the gay-opposed religious institutions, it is legal now for straight people to have a civil union and i think that is what we should aim for, leave the marriage label for religion (of which i am not a part and i don't know why gay people would want to if the churches see it as a sin?), i just see this as a more realistic way forward, and i really do beleive in equal rights, i just don't like religion and politics getting to intertwined. maybe the religious could call it holy matrimony and others marriage? Its just a name, the rights are what is important ;0)

      A chillin buttercup

      by A chillin buttercup on December 14th, 2008

    • So I'm straight, but I'm no longer allowed to call myself married because that's only for religious folk? How did that happen, and how do I unsubscribe from that? Is my wife now... my partner? My significant other? How many syllables should everyone have to use so that religious zealots can feel happy that they own the word 'marriage'?

      HasntBeen

      by HasntBeen on September 22nd, 2009

    • If a rose was called another name would it not smell so sweet? Really I don't care what people do or call themselves as long as they are happy, I guess you can't please all the people all the time so lets hope human rights will come before any talk of sexual preference, and love will conquer hate.

      A chillin buttercup

      by A chillin buttercup on November 1st, 2009

    • The rose would not smell as sweet, due to the fact that many federal laws specify the word "marriage" and would not apply to "civil unions". Straight couples with civil unions do not have nearly as many rights as married couples.

      This is not really about the word "marriage". The homophobes are trying to make it about the word because they know that is just as effective, since federal laws (especially DOMA) only applies to "marriage". That way they can appear like they are only complaining about the usage of a particular word. If you were to change federal law to cover civil unions, the bigots would be forced to go back to acting like bigots in public.

      branciforte3241

      by branciforte3241 on November 1st, 2009

    • To add to that -- it would be incredibly expensive to actually reprint all of the legal documentation, forms, books, etc. to use the newspeak. It is much cheaper, by an order of magnitude, just to make clear that the word 'marriage' means "two adults of either gender who have met the legal requirements of ceremony, no conflicting marriage, etc"

      HasntBeen

      by HasntBeen on November 1st, 2009

    • Sorry, I haven't been a CL for a couple of years now, I think. You can post something like that to the blog with a reasonable chance of getting action.

      HasntBeen

      by HasntBeen on November 1st, 2009

    • Good points. Marriage for all.

      A chillin buttercup

      by A chillin buttercup on November 2nd, 2009

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