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by 4freedom on May 18th, 2006

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If Mormons do not believe that they work out their salvation by deeds, then by what measure do they attain different levels of heaven?

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  • by free4life79 on March 3rd, 2007

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    "Working out your own salvation really means a denial of grace, since it implies that too small a price has been paid. Grace, however,must be absolutely free and without any price at all on man’s part; while on God’s part the price He paid was infinite. Thus for man to think that his works can play any part in either earning or keeping his salvation is what cheapens grace, devaluing this infinite gift to the level of human effort. To speak of “falling from grace” involves the same error. Since our works had nothing to do with meriting grace in the first place, there is nothing we could do that would cause us no longer to merit it and thus “fall” from it. Works determine reward or punishment—not one’s salvation, which comes by God’s grace. The crux of the problem is a confusion about grace and works.Some teach that one must be baptized to be saved; others that one must “speak in tongues.” Both are forms of salvation by works. Some people lack assurance of salvation because they haven’t “spoken in tongues,” others are confident they are saved
    because they think they have. Both are like those who say, “Lord, Lord, have we not...in thy name done many wonderful works?” (Mt 7:21-23). They are relying on their works to prove they are saved, instead of upon God’s grace. Nor does Jesus say, “You were once saved but lost your salvation.” He says, “I never knew you.” Salvation cannot be purchased even in part by us, because it requires payment of the penalty for sin—a payment we can’t make. If one were to receive a speeding ticket, it wouldn’t help to say to the judge, “I’ve driven many times within the 55 mph limit. Surely my many good deeds will make up for the
    one bad deed.” Nor would it do to say, “If you let me off this time, I promise never to break the law again.” The judge would reply, “To never break the law again is only to do what the law demands. You get no extra credit for that. The penalty for breaking the law is a separate matter and must be paid.” Thus Paul writes,“...by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight...” (Rom 3:20). If salvation from the penalty of breaking God’s laws cannot be earned by good deeds, then it cannot be lost by bad deeds. Our works play no part
    in either earning or keeping salvation. If it could,then those who reach heaven could boast that while Christ saved them they, by their good lives, kept their salvation. Thus God would be robbed of having all the glory in eternity.Our confidence for eternity rests in His unchanging
    love and grace and the sufficiency of God’s provision
    in Christ—not in our worth or performance. Only
    when this is clear do we have real peace with God.
    Only then can we truly love Him and live for Him out
    of gratitude for the eternal life He has given to us as
    a free gift of His grace—a gift He will not take back
    and which He makes certain can never be lost!" This is the true God!

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    • Plagiarism and probable copyright violation.    Not relevant to LDS beliefs anyway, so not an answer to this question.  Oh, and did I mention the plagiarism, and probable copyright violation?

      Anonymous

      by Anonymous on March 4th, 2007

    • I can use 10% of an article without permission and I really dont think the Christian who wrote the article would mind ,I just agree with it and so does the bible. You are so concerned about petty things more than anything. This is not some kind of investigation that you have to figure out. This is a free exchange of ideas not some police investigation. I will not listen to you criticisms or debate with you.I answered a question.

      free4life79

      by free4life79 on March 7th, 2007

    • You've made it clear enough in the past that you do not agree with what the Bible says in Exodus 20:16; and now you've made it clear that you don't agree with Exodus 20:15 either.  In other places, I have pointed out numerous other instances where you do not agree with the Bible.  You only agree with the Bible when it suits your purposes to do so.  •  Whether this is a copyright violation or not would have to be taken up with the person whose works you have stolen.  Regardless, it is still plagiarism.

      Anonymous

      by Anonymous on March 7th, 2007

    • My intention was not to harm anyone Have you ever though that maybe I am not on here to steal other peoples ideas? but rather agree with them? Have you ever thought that maybe I don't know everything about copying something and all the laws you seem to think you know so well? Have you seen your own profile ? Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.."I think you better think about what you write 1st! Who is in control of the things you say? i'Il pray that God will set you free because the sprit that i get from you is not a truthful,Godly spirit.I know i can get frustrated with you but I really do hope that God will work in your life and that you would be willing to see the truth. I dont say this to offend you but the bible says " Hear instruction, and be wise,and refuse it not.(Prov8:33)I really do not want to argue with you and when I am not acting the right way on here God convicts me Let God save you & set you free,this is bondage

      free4life79

      by free4life79 on March 13th, 2007

    • Oh, come on - thats a bit mean. the article answered the question - we have salvation already and cannot loose it.
      maybe it just answered the question better than he could, as for plagerism - i dont see you downrating others for using someone else quotes - which they All have.

      angel_of_mercy

      by angel_of_mercy on March 21st, 2008

    • Yet again, this answer doesn't answer the question being asked.

      Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here

      by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on March 3rd, 2009

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