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by Anonymous on November 9th, 2005

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Why do people try to present belief and faith as if they were factual and logical?

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  • by TulsaDavid on November 9th, 2005

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    There is both some truth and some error in your statements, and your question seems to be biased against faith, as if it contains no fact nor logic.

    TRUTH: Critical and logical thinking is indeed different than the thinking of faith and belief.

    You are right in this assessment, but wrong in your subsequent conclusions. The difference however is not in that one side is perfect and the other flawed. The difference is in that faith includes an experience and a knowledge that standalone logic cannot factor in.

    I suggest you consider that those who have exercised their faith have an experience you simply have not found. None of us know all there is to know, and certainly you have learned things you've never known before. It should not be difficult to allow for the possibility that not only is God very real, a person can have a relationship with Him. And this experiential knowledge will certainly factor in this person's set of critical and logical thinking, in ways it won't for you.

    ERROR: One has a set of rules; the other has none and is geared to whatever the mind wants.

    This is not correct. True faith in Jesus Christ comes complete with both (1) a non-negotiable calling to the highest and most honest levels of integrity and (2) a deep appreciation and understanding of the benefits, joy and peace in submission to God's will and principles.

    Because some so-called "Christians" don't live with integrity doesn't change this.

    SUMMARY: To answer your question, people with faith present themselves as factual and logical, because they have factored in their rationale and critical thinking an experience that those who don't know God simply don't have nor can factor in. This does not make one better than the other, this simply introduces something that the other has not yet encountered.

    But you certainly can. Millions have. And Jesus Christ, the true God manifested in humanity, who died, was buried and rose again, offers something nothing or no one else can offer (including any critiques and logic from those who don't know Him). Acts 2 shows how the early church shared this Gospel with their generation of people who didn't know Him, and Acts 2:38 shows how to enter into God's kingdom.

    I hope you'll at least consider this. If you have any more questions, please comment, and I'll expand further.

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    • You can have TRUE faith that you can fly but you still land on your head.

      Anonymous

      by Anonymous on November 13th, 2005

    • In other words, 'facts and logic' are not the only means of 'knowing'.

      Grandma Roses - my avatar is my real dog

      by Grandma Roses - my avatar is my real dog on December 1st, 2005

    • Faith is not different from critical and logical thinking, but is the result of such thinking.

      Anonymous

      by Anonymous on December 3rd, 2005

    • Logic by definition takes nothing on faith.

      zeropointburn

      by zeropointburn on December 31st, 2005

    • Excellent point just before the SUMMARY line, loved that one

      Joshua Zambrano

      by Joshua Zambrano on February 14th, 2006

    • Good stuff. Most people EXERCISE faith only in things for which there is EVIDENCE to justify faith. Some do believe nonsense.

      IntellectualCritic

      by IntellectualCritic on May 2nd, 2006

    • Critical thinking to make decisions can - and most often does - involve ethics.

      AntigoneRising

      by AntigoneRising on September 22nd, 2006

    • >> Anonymous: You can have TRUE faith that you can fly but you still land on your head. << Actually, with TRUE faith that you can fly, you'd go to work building the vehicle to do just that. Faith is NOT presumptuousness. It acts uprightly

      TulsaDavid

      by TulsaDavid on October 4th, 2006

    • GAG! http://godisimaginary.com/

      Moongrim

      by Moongrim on December 16th, 2009

    • that is beautiful. rings so true for me. I am just one. no greater or less. journey not the destination. always changing in understanding of same words that never change. thanks. I'm starting to love people. that is a significant change for me.

      stonedsober

      by stonedsober on December 21st, 2009

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