Does the "pulling out" method really work?

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• The "pulling out method" is still a method of birth control and therefore against Catholic doctrine, so it is *not* why Catholics have such big families. Natural Family Planning is the only method allowed and then only because it is used more often to find the fertile days than to find the infertile days.

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  by eternal0void on November 5th, 2007

• Hmmm...okay...I am Catholic, so you don't need to school me on Catholocism. I went to Catholic University. Yes, Pulling Out IS a method of birth control and it has worked on occasion. It reduces the chance of conception but DOES NOT ELIMINATE IT. What you are calling "Natural Family Planning" is what the Catholic Church referred to as "the rhythm method" for many years. Rhythm being the natural rhythm of a womans cycle (as you described). The fact of the matter is that Natural Family Planning, is also a "method" of reducing or increasing the proportional chance of conception but IT IS NOT FAIL PROOF OR FOOL PROOF. Ever noticed that Catholics tend to have larger families than those of religions that do not admonish other forms or birth control????? That is a biological FACT. Likely, the person who asked such a question as this can not or will not be wise enough to follow fertility charting and relying on pulling it out is NOT SMART.

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  by This Daley has a new bundle of joy on November 5th, 2007

• You stated that "pulling out" was the reason Catholics have big families. This is simply not true. "Pulling out" is a declaration that you are having sex with the intention of trying to prevent pregnancy, which is not permitted to Catholics. Natural Family Planning, in contrast, makes no attempt to prevent sperm from entering the cervix. I'm having a hard time believing that a Catholic who claims to have gone to Catholic University (incidentally, which one?) thinks that Catholics can engage in coitus interruptus without a trip to the confessional.

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  by eternal0void on November 5th, 2007

• I attended THE Catholic University of America in Washington, DC. Not that it matters. Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that ALL Catholics practice this method? Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that if they DON'T, or if a Catholic should actually have sex for any other reason than procreation, that they can not call themselves Catholic? I never said it wasn't a sin, but looking at the issue with a practical and realistic perspective....it happens...it happens all over the world..a sin committed by millions of Catholics on a daily basis. Are you *telling* me (or anyone else for that matter) to go to confession? The nearest Catholic church is 30 miles from my home. Oh, wait, isn't passing judgement ALSO a sin? Ok, well, then I will see YOU there!!!!

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  by This Daley has a new bundle of joy on November 6th, 2007

• I see, you're what the nuns in my Catholic grade school called a "rationalist": "everyone else does it so I shouldn't worry too much about doing it myself." Lots of kids, including Catholic kids, use that one every day, to the standard adult response of "if everyone else jumped off a cliff...". I never said that Catholics don't do it, I said its a Catholic Sin, which makes "what millions of Catholics do daily" a rather irrelevant comment. When a Catholic commits a sin, they have to go to confessional or they might die with that sin attached to them. If you're a Catholic it isn't "judgement" to point out the big red sticky note hanging off your body, and suggest that you go have a priest remove it.

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  by eternal0void on November 10th, 2007

• As for whether or not someone is Catholic, priests I've known say that excommunication is the only way you can completely stop being a Catholic, and contrary to popular belief excommunication is never automatic. Even Pope assassins get a Vatican trial for their possible excommunication. However, choosing to live in sin without proper absolution or contrition does make a Catholic into what might be called a "lesser Catholic", and the honor system declares such Catholics should abstain from the Eucharist, though Reconciliation is always available to any Catholic. Obviously divorce without annullment prevents future marriages in the Church, as well as the aforementioned abstention from the Eucharist.

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  by eternal0void on November 10th, 2007

• 1) YOU stated: I'm having a hard time believing that a Catholic who claims to have gone to Catholic University (incidentally, which one?) thinks that Catholics can engage in coitus interruptus without a trip to the confessional.
  
  I stated: I never said it wasn't a sin
  
  2)I stated: ....it happens...it happens all over the world..a sin committed by millions of Catholics on a daily basis
  
  YOU responded: you're what the nuns in my Catholic grade school called a "rationalist": "everyone else does it so I shouldn't worry too much about doing it myself." Lots of kids, including Catholic kids, use that one every day, to the standard adult response of "if everyone else jumped off a cliff...". I never said that Catholics don't do it, I said its a Catholic Sin.
  
  I don’t have the energy to continue this circular arguing in which you disregard my ACTUAL words.

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  by This Daley has a new bundle of joy on November 11th, 2007

• I NEVER said it wasn't a sin. And I NEVER said "everyone else does it so I shouldn't worry too much about doing it myself." YOU said that ABOUT me. I do not have the time, energy or desire to enter into an in depth discussion of Catholocism w/ you. You will find others here on AB who will do so. I would not want to, in any case, because you read whatever you want in to what I say and you have admonished me w/out knowing the first thing about me. How DARE you make ANY assumptions about me and my faith? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? My sins are between me, my priest and my GOD and are not your business WHATSOEVER. For someone who wants to preach Catholic doctrine, I think you seriously need to revist Matthew Ch.7. JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED.

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  by This Daley has a new bundle of joy on November 11th, 2007

• The person who originally asked this question likely could not care less about the question of sin. He/she wants to have unprotected sex without consequence. I was merely attempting to use a humorous illustration to show that relying on "pulling out" is a bad idea. I, again, apologize if I offended your Catholic sensibilities. I will kindly thank you to cease making such gross over-generalizations about me & stop purposely misinterpreting what I have stated here. Your circular method of argument is exasperating. I refuse to be put on the defensive by someone who is just looking for an argument when I have not said anything incorrect or unfair. If you want to preach, go find a pulpit. I stand by my original answer. IMO, it seems you are incapable of having an open discussion without lording your self-righteousness over me. I will not respond to you again. I will allow you to have the last word (and pass judgement on me again, no doubt), as you so clearly seem to feel the need to do so.

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  by This Daley has a new bundle of joy on November 11th, 2007

• You guys gives me a headach. Who cares if it has anything to do with big families, school or different names, This is about pulling out and diseases, get back on track and stay on topic. :S

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  by Jaheira2016 on August 4th, 2010