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We do believe the Garden of Eden was in Missouri per revelation to Joseph Smith.
by Rodric Johnson on May 27th, 2005
Silent Serenity, The Noah was adrift for 150 days. There is no telling how far he travel in that time.
by Glenn Blaylock on November 11th, 2005
More than one LDS leader has 'speculated' that Eden was in Missouri. Wilford Woodruff, one of LDS historie's must trusted sources claims that Joseph Smith told him exactly that. Heber C. Kimball, John A. Widtsoe and Bruce R. McConkie, believed Eden was in Missouri as well.
The sources cited at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam-ondi-Ahman
further support that the idea is more than just speculation or lore but actual teachings by Joseph Smith.
by taskboy on October 27th, 2008
> Revelation given to Joseph Smith only stated that Adam dwelt in what is now Missouri after the Garden of Eden. It does not state the Garden of Eden was in what is now Missouri <
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So . . .
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How exactly did Adam move between Missouri and the Middle East: a distance of thousands of miles and separated by great oceans?
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And if we assume that Adam made this great trek prior to continental drift how exactly did he travel? It took the Asians several generations to get into North America by foot. Did Adam have "itchy feet"?
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 24th, 2009
IT, Adam lived over 900 years.
As I understand it, he called a meeting in Missouri 3 years before his death.
Also, there is a general feeling [I'm not sure that it is doctrine or otherwise] that the continents were originally all one land mass
by denidowi on September 27th, 2009
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OK, then what evidence do we have - other than Joseph Smith's word for it - that any of this is true?
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I can offer this evidence that it's not: The data surrounding human migration. See this link https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 27th, 2009
No, denidowi, that latter is not Church doctrine as far as I know. Scientifically speaking, the human race does not go back far enough for our ancestors to have been around when the continents started to break up 200 million year ago.
by Glenn Blaylock on September 27th, 2009
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Thanks for clarifying Glenn. And good to see you back in the Auditorium.
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 27th, 2009
"So . . .
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How exactly did Adam move between Missouri and the Middle East: a distance of thousands of miles and separated by great oceans?"
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"the human race does not go back far enough for our ancestors to have been around when the continents started to break up 200 million year ago."
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The earth was divided in the days of Peleg, who was born after the flood. Atleast that's what the Bible teaches.
"And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan." Genesis 10:25
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I don't know how far the Tigris and Euphrates would have been from Missouri before the break up of Pangea, I could jigsaw together the continents and guess. But the point is really moot since the Garden of Eden could well have been in Missouri anyways.
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It's hard to look for accurate evidance of anything pre-flood. Since we can hardly guess the ramifications of a global flood on landscape, or imagine the ammount of debris and sediment that would result.
by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on October 11th, 2009
What does the Bible mean when it says that the earth was divided? Does it mean that the continents split up? Perhaps, but the geological record indicates that this process began 200 million years ago. Long before humans came along. Maybe it means that the land was divided up among different groups of people. I don't claim to have all the answers, but the geologic record does not support the idea that the continents were together within human history.
by Glenn Blaylock on October 12th, 2009
Yes; but Glenn, we cannot take any "geological record" for any truthLOL!
We KNOW how far off the reckonings of men are, esp on matters that they have no 'historical' witness or Genuine proof of: it is all just 'calculated guesswork' and pure speculation - No one was there: that is the bottom line.
Personally, I Believe the Biblical record when it indicates that we have had only about 6,000 historical years since the Fall of Adam - and we know, also, that God is not a God of Temporariness (prior) - His Creations are as His character - permanent and timeless. Neither is He the author of death or decay ... so Evolution was not His 'baby' either. Doctrines of temporariness, death, destruction and decay are purely 'the work of Man'.
by denidowi on October 12th, 2009
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Yeah Glenn! Stop bringing evidence external to Mormonism into this! It tends to invalidate LdS dogma - and we can't have that!
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;-)
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 12th, 2009
Note, the Church has not taken a stand either way on this issue. Various authorities have stated different opinions on this, but none have had the weight of official doctrine. Denidowi is entitled to believe as he wishes on this. I don't agree with him, but I respect his right to believe as he wishes.
by Glenn Blaylock on October 12th, 2009
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I was needling Glenn.
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I knew that Denidowi was citing personal opinion.
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However, I must say that when you do science your objectivity muscles kick in and they are impressively strong!
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I wouldn't mind sitting through one of your classes - you're good!
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 12th, 2009
Thanks, Guys ... so we agree to disagree, and for each, we have our reasons. Specifics ARE opinion; I'm not saying, of course, that they aren't : I am merely trying to reason - probably more in the Socrates way of seeing things, even if not using his more sophisticated methodsLOL!
One CAN reason the thngs and eternities of the spirit - which is eternal, and it is 'Eternal' that undertook the Creation, regardless of process.
There IS, nevertheless, official Church statements, made by the prophet in the very early 20th Century that IS Church Doctrine: It is that evolution of the species was not the process God used in Creation. Now that IS Church doctrine, despite that Glenn mentioned the presence of all types of opinions that exist among authorities for whatever reason. Anything I know in the Church including all that I engage in as a Temple worker do not support evolution at all.
I recognize that we are not really addressing that specifically here, but I was merely pointing out the little I am aware of re the early earth that DOES have an official Church position on it - even though there are many members who DO dissent on this issue.
Fortunately, as long as one keeps the Commandments of God, and communes with God and His Word, and sustains the efforts of others to learn of Christ and obey His teachings, what one believes on this other matter will not affect his salvation.
That is really the bottom line.
by denidowi on October 12th, 2009
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No worries Denidowi, we're all entitled to our opinions mate!
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;-)
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But you DO have to admit that when it comes to Geology Glenn is DA BOMB!
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He rocks man!
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 12th, 2009
Well, other than just a few basics I have heard re the different rock stratas, there isn't a great deal I know on the subject.
I must admit, I hadn't noticed Glenn's skill in this area: so I must have been asleepLOL!
Sorry Glenn
by denidowi on October 12th, 2009
lol "He rocks" geology. funny.
by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on October 12th, 2009
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 12th, 2009
I even missed that jokeLOL!!
Thanks John ;)
by denidowi on October 12th, 2009