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by Inspector Javert on January 8th, 2007
Yes, I do. I know trolls will rate me down, but I don't want it in the pledge.
One of the main reasons our country was formed was so we could have seperation of church and state. By having that, I feel you are violating my rights and the rights of any other atheist or anyone who beleives in a different god.
I don't see why I should have to say that I live in a nation under god, when I don't beleive one exists.
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I'll rate you up eventhough I don't agree, but it's an opinion question and you gave your opinion.
by anonymous on January 8th, 2007
Thank you. I don't like it when people rate me down on opnion polls, so I like you. ^^
by Inspector Javert on January 8th, 2007
I've done lots of reading on this and the founding fathers of this country were deeply concerned about religion being shoved down people's throats. It's what they left behind them and they didn't want it here.
by fredhetz on January 8th, 2007
thanks. I like people who like me. =:)
by anonymous on January 8th, 2007
Exactly.
What I love the most is the fact that they were also, for the most part deist.
by Inspector Javert on January 8th, 2007
Then you should go back to what ever country you came from where there is no freedom and no God. This here is the United States of America bought and paid for by every dead U.S. MARINE!
by RockAngel on January 8th, 2007
Actually, I think that Marines fight for things like not having a state religion, etc. "Go back to what ever country you came from?" I was born here and my father got a Bronze Star for service in Korea. Sheesh....
by fredhetz on January 8th, 2007
Wow talk about a negative comment, all he had to say was that he didn't agree, that's what I did, there was no need for the hostility.
by anonymous on January 8th, 2007
Javert,why should I have to be forced to not say "one nation under God"? How fair is that? You don't have to say anything.That is your right. Why is it such a big deal to remove it? Lack of belief in God should have nothing to do with it.You do have the right to not say the pledge of allegiance. But others should have the right to keep the words if they believe in them.
by EarthAngel on January 9th, 2007
EarthAngel: Are you familiar with the fact that the words "Under God" were ADDED to the Pledge? They were not there before 1954. They were lobbied to be included. Do you think the Pledge was somehow less patriotic or anti-God BEFORE they were included? I don't think they should necessarily be removed, but you seem to be surprised why someone who does not believe in something should have to recite words that imply such belief. This is Javert's opinion and it is a valid opinion.
by teknimage on January 9th, 2007
I'll respon to each comment indvidualy.
To Rock: I was born here, thank you. And they also fought for our constutional rights, the freedom of relgion(And from it).
To Fred: Thank you.
Ndt: Exactly.
To Earth: I don't beleive that I should have to hear it in school everyday. And please do play close attention to Teknimage's poste.
And finally to Teknimage: Thank you for posting that! ^-^
by Inspector Javert on January 9th, 2007
teknimage:I'm definitely not saying that he should have to say the words if he doesn't believe in them.I'm saying that if you take the words out,then those who do believe in them are losing the right to say it.It's already been taken out of the public schools.If you don't want to say the pledge,then I believe you have that right.But where is the rights for those who do want their children to say it in school?
Either way you slice it,someone's rights have been violated.Javert: You do have the right not to hear it,but what about those who do want to hear it? Like I said to teknimage,either way you slice it,someone's rights are violated.I don't see what the problem with the words to the pledge is.Nobody is preaching to you.Would you be willing to say the Pledge,if the words "under God" were not in the pledge? What about the original verses?
by EarthAngel on January 9th, 2007
Javert: I didn't rate you down for you opinion either,I rated you up.
by EarthAngel on January 9th, 2007
I say it without the words 'under God'. I don't like them, and I don't like to hear them, and I do not see why I should have to hear them.
by Inspector Javert on January 9th, 2007
You said it rightly, EarthAngel. Someone's rights are violated. Whether the words are left in or removed. They did not have to be added in the first place. Like so many other things, they were the result of a knee-jerk reaction. Although you still seem to be missing the point by saying you don't see the problem with the words being there, yet Javert also having a right not to be made to speak them. Anyway, we find ourselves in a quandary with questions like this because of such seeming paradoxes. The words are there, but are they appropriate? Certainly to some they are, and equally as certain they are not to others. So what do we do? Javert is more directly affected by this than either you or I, so for us it is just an ideological discussion. I think their removal from public schools is unfortunate, but I also don't see how it could have been averted with such adamant and staunch positions on both sides.
by teknimage on January 9th, 2007
I hear you,teknimage. I guess that I see the Pledge of Allegiance as more of a patriotic thing rather than a religious thing.That may be why I have some difficulty in understanding why people have a difficulty with the words.Maybe we should just put back the original words.
by EarthAngel on January 9th, 2007
@javert: agreed! good point.
by zee-ster on April 5th, 2007
The government did not write this pledge. The constitution does not provide for a separation of church and state. It only provides from preventing the government establishing a state church.
by Will on June 16th, 2007
I agree totally. Down with Down-Raters!
by ACCOUNT CLOSED on January 12th, 2008
was the author(s) of the pledge even being debated here? i can't see that is was & frankly, i could care less. i still don't think "under god" needs to or should be in there. period.
by zee-ster on January 15th, 2008
good answer +4
by BOOZE HOUND... nothing is nonsence on May 17th, 2008
i've just read the comment thread so he's my opion rock angel i have huge respect for the marines but idiots like you make me sick,as a sodier you should be fighting for your country and everyone one of it's citerzens,whatever there religious beleifs.
inspecter jaret i totaly agree with you,but zee,will,anti-semantic earth angel and tecknimage made good points,the problem is you cant please everyone all the time.
by BOOZE HOUND... nothing is nonsence on May 17th, 2008
NO, inspector, our country was NOT formed to seperate church from state. The forefathers clearly built this country on the belief in GOD, & by the way it wasn't they who seperated church from state. This was done to protect CHRISTAN'S rights because of all the other religions, but it was NEVER intended to take the church out of the state it's intent was to take the state out of the church!
God should forever remain a part of this country, in pledge in school in court etc.
by Johnny on October 24th, 2008
america was set up by christian extremist but you can evolve beyond that church and state should allways be separate and ramming god down kids thoughts in school is a very bad idea.
by BOOZE HOUND... nothing is nonsence on October 26th, 2008
Have you ever heard of the Treaty of Tripoli?
by Inspector Javert on November 16th, 2008
i have... btw, booze hound -- you make it sound as if america was founded by a single individual. do your research. for example, thomas jefferson was extremely adamant about the government not being involved with god & religion. have you googled what he did with the bible?
by zee-ster on December 4th, 2008
the point i was makeing was that the first settlers were strict christians.
by BOOZE HOUND... nothing is nonsence on December 7th, 2008
The point I'm making is that the people who set up the United States Goverment, indeed, the nation, were not.
by Inspector Javert on December 13th, 2008