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by Valparaiso on December 28th, 2006
The gay agenda persistently parallel's, their struggle of equal rights with that of the blacks trying to establish, a right to read...
by PrimeFactor on January 23rd, 2012
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Do you have any arguments against gay marriage?
by futureMarine on April 25th, 2012
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Do you think gay marriage should be legal everywhere in the world?
by DaveyRay on April 16th, 2012
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Honest Question: What rights do gay people NOT have in America? (Besides marriage in some states).
by ~*Araya*~ on March 23rd, 2012
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Seriously, why can't gay people get married? why can my loving friends,who have loved, argued piss and crazied for 30 years get married?
by 34th st. on February 17th, 2012
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Marriage is a creation of man and it has nothing to do with god...
by Mr. McClister on December 28th, 2006
You and I see differently on this. I view marriage as a bond between a man and a woman made before God. I belive God invented the notion of marriage. And I'm dogmatic enough to view two people who where married in a completly secular way as only legally merged and not really married. Hey I thought secularists where all nice people who didn't rate people down because they disagreed with them. (Not saying you did this mcClister but someone did it)
by Valparaiso on December 28th, 2006
This answer is false not an opinion. You give an answer that claims that "God" made marriage which is untrue. This answer is a pathetic attempt to rip the rights away from human beings...I guess that is another one of "Gods" great works...haha
by Mr. McClister on December 28th, 2006
You can't prove God didn't create marriage anymore then I can prove it was. And I will point out marriage was a religious thing far before it had any secular component. I don't apprechiate being rated down because you diagree. But then again thats the double standard, no I'll probably be accused of shoving my beliefs down your throat.
by Valparaiso on December 28th, 2006
Yes...I can. Man clearly created and initiated the institution of marriage...it is documented in history.
by Mr. McClister on December 28th, 2006
right. . . You mean in the bible? Care to cite any sources for your assertion.
by Valparaiso on December 28th, 2006
Valparaiso, you've made me see the issue in a way I never saw it before; you're not opposed to homosexual CIVIL UNION, but you are opposed to homosexual MARRIAGE. You make a very reasonable argument that the Christians' word "marriage" should not be applied to something that they don't condone. That makes sense to me, so I think it's a very good idea to differentiate between the terms marriage and civil union. It can get very messy when the government starts making laws about a religious institution. Points a plenty!
by Anonymous on December 28th, 2006
I don't think you understand civil union...the couple doesn't get the same rights that a married couple would..health benefits, tax benefits...it is ridiculous...and Valparaiso look it up in any encyclopedia...many civilizations implemented marriage before christianity was even a religion including the egyptians and sumerians..neither of which were Christian or had even heard of Christianity (given that it wasn't a religion at that time)
by Mr. McClister on December 28th, 2006
ah you're right I didn't understand that part. I guess my feeling overall is that it's not the government's place to enforce religious law. If gay marriage were legally allowed, individual relgions could still forbid it among their followers.
The question was not "Should same-sex marriage be legalized" it was " What are your reasons for being for or against Same-Sex Marriage?" So maybe there could be someone who's against it for religious reasons, but doesn't necessarily think it should be illegal in a secular government. I'm not trying to speak for Valparaiso, here, I'm just pointing it out.
by Anonymous on December 28th, 2006
No I think they should get the same legal rights in a civil union. In some states they do I think NJ is one. McClister, Yes they where having marriages before christianity but they where still religious. I'm just opposed to calling it a marriage thats all. Give them the health benefits, tax benefits etc. That was the original idea of a civil union. Give them the legal benefits of a marriage but don't call it a marriage. Its the liberal wing fooling you telling you that they are not legally one in the same.
by Valparaiso on December 28th, 2006
Not by god though....which was you complete point
by Mr. McClister on December 28th, 2006
In my belief God instructed the first humans to marry. The Jewish had a tradition of marriage dating back to before recorded time.
by Valparaiso on December 28th, 2006
God "invented" marriage? Odd choice of language. Anyway, there are anthropological records that show marriage being preexistent to the Hebrews claiming it was handed down to them by God and in a context that wasn't necessarily religious. After all, the first marriages were really just about property ownership and wealth as traceable through the only way to follow bloodlines: women. Men simply took possession of women and thereby their wealth. The real beginnings to marriage are pretty devoid of religion and God. And you're offended by the term marriage between two consenting adults of the same sex? Maybe we should employ a more "PC" term for you? You know, so you wouldn't be offended. Oh, wait! That's right. You don't like PC. Maybe we should just call it marriage, then. And not worry about who we're offending. However, I do appreciate your views on equality within unions, whether they are civil or religious. I just don't understand your aversion to the language or it.
by teknimage on January 1st, 2007
First of all would you like to cite any CREDIBLE (Not wikipedia) sources saying that marriage wasn't religious at first? I'm not talking about just the hebrews here I'm talking about the whole she-bang. I spent a long time debating this and they where able to find only ONE single case in all of history of marriages not having religious components (no matter what religion) Second of all the language is important because I view MARRIAGE to be sacred and holy and becomming united before God their creator. Civil unions are nothing of that sort. I agree that gay people should get the same legal protections as everyone else but I don't want to use that terminology. And seeming how we'll change the terminology for someone who's offended by Christmas, I see no reason we should use the same terminology for someone who's offended by a same sex couple.
by Valparaiso on January 1st, 2007
If you'd like, you could read "A History Of God" and "The Gospel According To Woman", both by Karen Armstrong. She is an ex-nun who has written quite a bit on the subject of religion and the various veils it has donned over the years, as well as the different institutions in them. And I just find it somewhat interesting that you're so anti-concession in word-usage offenses when it comes to Christmas, yet bang that drum when it comes to the word "marriage". Anyway, I'm not looking to piss anyone off here, just make a point. After all, marriage, gay marriage, civil unions, whatever, needs all the rational support it can get. Again, thank you for that. :)
by teknimage on January 1st, 2007
Well if people would stop trying to secularize every part of our country then maybe I'd be more willing to make concessions on marriage. But you have to give concessions in order to get concessions. While I disagree with homosexuality as being a sin (The sex and lust, not the feelings) I also recognize that concessions need to be made in the form of civil unions to be fair to all people.
by Valparaiso on January 1st, 2007
Like I said, I truly DO appreciate your stance on equal protection for all people who choose to live their lives together, regardless of gender. As for the religious vs. secular position, I'm sure we'll never see eye to eye. You're looking from within religion and I'm looking from without, so we'll just have to wave at each other from across that fence. Anyway, Happy New Year, my friend!
by teknimage on January 1st, 2007
I am a Christian and I agree with you 100%.
It is supposed to be 1 man & 1 women.
Not 2 women or 2 men,its not meant to be that way.
by Stumped on January 5th, 2007
Not to mention the fact that the logic derived at applying same sex marriage could also be logically used for incestous relations. (Not animals or crap like that but incest). In fact many of the people that debated me the hardest on this issue after I brought that up said "I don't care if you marry your sister."
by Valparaiso on January 5th, 2007
Um... OK, now you lost me again. And things were going so well between us.
by teknimage on January 5th, 2007
Well ok here is sort of how it goes. Their logic is that marriages shouldn't have anything to do with producing children. Therefore same sex marriage is ok. I replied well why can't I marry my sister if I where to get a vacectimey (sp?) and they replied that they thought that me marrying my sister was ok. (Just so you know I don't have a sister). My point is that you can open up a whole new can of worms with their logic.
by Valparaiso on January 5th, 2007
these are all well said arguments
and wise thoughts, to some it is a
small matter, to others, a quest.
good day to all. +6
by Norman_Outside the lines on April 13th, 2007
Here's an idea. There are churches that perform gay marriages, and well, since you're using YOUR religion as an argument against gay marriage, then well, religion that DOES accept gay marriage should have the same legal recognition as other religions that do.
by jacyschroeder on June 27th, 2007
I'm a lesbian. Be offended.
by Candice_M on April 21st, 2011