by Missy on January 14th, 2008

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How often do you read the bible? why or why not?

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  • by DreAnna on January 14th, 2008

    DreAnna

    LOL..this answer is gonna nuke me..but I have read it..I dont put any more stock in the words than any other book..It is a book that is full of contradictions and therefore I just found it to be a semi interesting novel. :)

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    • I'll try to help you from the inevitable nukers ; )

      Twhupfold

      by Twhupfold on January 14th, 2008

    • Thank you..lol ;)

      DreAnna

      by DreAnna on January 14th, 2008

    • ditto (8 yrs of Catholic education was more than enough to turn me off)

      lastwraith

      by lastwraith on January 14th, 2008

    • hahaha (4 years was all I could take iick!)

      Sgifan

      by Sgifan on February 20th, 2008

    • Yeah, the Catholics really misunderstand a lot about the Bible. But I would like an example of a contradiction you found.

      Bonfireking

      by Bonfireking on February 24th, 2008

    • I don't know which contradictions DreAnna was referring to, but I have a list containing hundreds if you'd like to see ; )
       
      For now I'll just post this one:
       
      Matthew 22:37
      Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
       
      Mathew 10:28
      And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
       
      1 John 4:18
      There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear,
      because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
       
      *****
       
      Basically, Love God, but actually fear him, but don't... It is a contradiction within a contradiction.

      Twhupfold

      by Twhupfold on February 24th, 2008

    • First: the Bible wasn't written in verses. The numbered verse system was added later to aid in finding scripture. As such, it's pointless to look at one verse and compare it to anything else. Regardless, I see your confusion.

      It's quite simple actually. I love my dad! He's an awesome man that taught me a lot, loved me a lot, etc... But when I screwed up and disobeyed him, I was scared about what he was going to do for my punishment. The same thing applies to God. Love him with all you've got. But your fear of his ability to punish should drive you away from disobedience.

      I would really like to see other controversies you've found, whether you believe what I'm saying or not!

      Bonfireking

      by Bonfireking on February 28th, 2008

    • Almost forgot... you brought up a great verse in Matt. 10:28... it says not to fear man, cuz he can only kill the body. Fear God cuz he can send your soul to hell... i.e. if you don't believe in Him.

      It makes sense to me that if I create something, I will punish them if they don't love/believe/obey me. Hell is the ultimate punishment.

      Bonfireking

      by Bonfireking on February 28th, 2008

    • How is Matt. 10:28 a great verse? It's a verse, thus it's pointless, right?...
       
      I really don't understand what you meant by that "As such, it's pointless to look at one verse and compare it to anything else" thing. The verses are a means by which we can look up and find certain quotes, if I were to simply list a page number and quote from it, would that make it any more / less viable for comparisons? What nonsense : /
       
      Also, if it makes sense to you to commit your creations to eternal pain and suffering, then you are a severely sadistic and sociopathic person... Hell is an infinite punishment fitting only for an infinite crime, which cannot exist because we only live finite lives. It is infinitely evil and infinitely unjust 'by definition'.

      Twhupfold

      by Twhupfold on February 28th, 2008

    • In my haste, I wasn't clear. I was hoping you would read in between the lines and see my point. It's clear that is not the case and I'm going to be scrutinized to the T. OK.

      For instance, I might read, "Abraham Lincoln was the first president shot in the head." Someone could look at that and say "Abraham Lincoln was the first president."

      Bonfireking

      by Bonfireking on March 6th, 2008

    • You can't just pick a verse and analyze it. You have to read the verses before it and after it to understand it in context.

      I have a son, let's call him my creation. When he disobeys, I punish him. So am I a sadistic and sociopathic person? We have the option to stay out of this eternal punishment by believing in God. But why would God want people around him that didn't believe in him when they had the chance?

      You will be eternally punished if you don't believe/know that Jesus died on the cross as a perfect sacrifice. His sacrifice paid the penalty for our sin so we don't have to go to hell. But if you don't believe He did that, then that's just where you get to go.

      Bonfireking

      by Bonfireking on March 6th, 2008

    • Ok, I understand your first point.
       
      As for your second comment, perhaps you are not grasping the sheer scale of the punishment God is giving out... If your son disobeys you, would you torture him for an eternity without -any hope- of it -ever- ceasing? You are not sadistic or sociopathic for punishing someone, you are 'infinitely' sadistic and 'infinitely' sociopathic if you punish them for an eternity without reprieve for a finite crime (which in many cases doesn't even cause any harm, thus it's classification as a crime is dubious at best).
       
      I can only speak for myself here, but after I die I'm quite happy to just cease to exist... If God doesn't want me, and Hell is an unjust punishment, then remove me from existence (I'll be too non-existent to care at that point anyway).
       
      I would honestly appreciate it if someone would explain why not affirming an abstract concept within our minds is justification for eternal pain, instead of a simple cessation of existence...
       
      Personally I am an agnostic, and while I lean very much more towards the atheistic side than the theistic one, I am not purely atheistic. I trust that if God(ess)(s) exist, they are kind enough not to condemn me to an inescapable eternity of pain simply because I didn't fully believe that they existed (which is a belief I came to after extensive investigation and continue to scrutinise every single day of my life).

      Twhupfold

      by Twhupfold on March 7th, 2008

    • There are zero Bible contradictions. The Bible does NOT contradict itself. People parrot these words and have usually not bothered to find out the full, complete answer.

      nick batchelor

      by nick batchelor on April 3rd, 2011

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