Roman Catholic Archbishop of Grenada Spain, Javier Martinez, said it is ok to rape women who had an abortion.What do you think about this?

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• The logic is that an abortion is close to a capital offense, and since the state is not taking it seriously enough the common people must punish the offenders.
  
  Utter rubbish.

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  by ErgoStep - Millionaire Websites on January 7th, 2012

• I actually agree that abortion is close to a capital offense -it IS murder, after all-, but it's legal.
  The common people would be better used to punish the government that empowers those who'll take a child's life for the sake of convenience.
  Raping those who've had the wool pulled over their eyes for two generations with all of this "my body, my right" nonsense is just cruel and unusual punishment- directed at the wrong people.

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  by woggy on January 7th, 2012

• Usually such beliefs are based on the bible.
  
  The word abortion does not occur in the bible. The next best source is the Jewish Talmud, which is neither pro-life nor pro-choice.
  
  As a practical matter, the divorce rate of a college educated person at the age of 26 is only 5%. Two teenagers having a shotgun wedding is a far worse scenario than an abortion. Two children getting married is stupid and dangerous.
  
  If the bible was against abortion, one could give a reference to a verse that says "abortion is wrong" like one can quote a verse that says "tattoos are wrong" and "homosexuality is wrong." Most arguments that state that the bible is against abortion are long-winded and require complex reasoning.
  
  Now, the Jewish beliefs from the Talmud:
  
  Halacha (Jewish law) does define when a fetus becomes a nefesh (person). "...a baby...becomes a full-fledged human being when the head emerges from the womb. Before then, the fetus is considered a 'partial life.' " In the case of a "feet-first" delivery, it happens when most of the fetal body is outside the mother's body.
  
  "Rashi, the great 12th century commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states clearly of the fetus 'lav nefesh hu--it is not a person.' The Talmud contains the expression 'ubar yerech imo--the fetus is as the thigh of its mother,' i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman's body." This is grounded in Exodus 21:22. That biblical passage outlines the Mosaic law in a case where a man is responsible for causing a woman's miscarriage, which kills the fetus If the woman survives, then the perpetrator has to pay a fine to the woman's husband. If the woman dies, then the perpetrator is also killed. This indicates that the fetus has value, but does not have the status of a person.
  
  http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_abor.htm

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  by ErgoStep - Millionaire Websites on January 7th, 2012

• The taking of innocent life is wrong- splitting hairs over the question by claiming that word "abortion" isn't used in the Bible is disingenuous at best.
  The word "homosexuality", as you assert, isn't used in the Bible either, but the act of a man laying with another man as he would with a woman (to paraphrase) is condemned in the Old Testament as worthy of death.
  In the New Testament, specifically in Romans chapter 1, those men who abandon the natural use of the woman and instead do things unseemly with other men (and vice versa for the women) are described as having been abandoned by God, never to see grace, and irretrievable.
  
  I think tattooing is stupid, but it's not a sin, and I've never run across any serious/credible teaching against it.
  
  As for your Talmud quotes:
  I'll bet you're not too anxious to quote the blatantly hateful, anti Christian, Mary fornicated with a Roman soldier (or was it a donkey?)passages. Or the stuff about the disposability of Gentiles or the eligibility of three year old girls for sex.
  In light of the existence of those passages -and certain Jews claiming these "obscure" texts are misused as grounds for antiSemitism- I'll consider the source.

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  by woggy on January 8th, 2012