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After how many attempts will a scrabble set finally form words after a random throw? How about a 1000 piece zig-saw puzzle?
Why do so many persons chase shadows, arrive at mistaken inferences for the sake of the established status quo, at the expense of reality?
Darwinism has moulded the mindset of modern science at the expense of
true science.
by Im Alec has abandoned this account on December 11th, 2011
I was just wondering, if there is no oxygen in space, why does the sun keep burning?
by sntrada on May 25th, 2011
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Why do Creationists not realize that the Bible does not teach that the
creative periods were NOT 24 hour days?
by TrueSeeker on August 15th, 2011
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Is it reasonable to believe that the universe and intelligent life
came about from chance events, from mindless chance?
by TrueSeeker on July 19th, 2011
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Why are so many religious people intolerant of other religions? What if THEY are the ones who are wrong?
by carman727 on November 24th, 2011
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Has time travel already happened?
by Gormanghast. on June 24th, 2011
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Rational inquiry and verifiable evidence are far beyond TS's comprehension.
by canoeguide on December 11th, 2011
CG, are you suggesting that, BLIND CHANCE + NON-INTELLIGENCE, display greater gognition, than I do? Oh wait, that is what Evolution assumes too, yeh right.
Ironically, the brilliant minds of us humans could not avert an international financial meltdown, most were caught napping.
23I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. Jeremiah.
by TrueSeeker on December 12th, 2011
TS: exactly that. Blind chance, plus selection, can and does come up with inventions that we rediscover later. You are over-proud of our much-vaunted intelligence. What happens inside the brain actually seems to be a lot like what happens with natural selection: a lot of ideas are generated essentially at random, and the bad ones discarded. The only difference is that our brains work much faster, since the bad ideas can be discarded by inspection rather than having to be generated, live, and fail. We are only faster than Natural Selection, not better.
by Im Alec has abandoned this account on December 13th, 2011
TS,
With regard to natural processes, that is exactly what all the evidence points to. And your dragging in a matter of economics is known in the trade as avoiding the issue, deflection, an excellent example of faulty thinking.
These listings may help you understand the many pitfalls sloppy thinking can fall into. Among these and a great many other sources you will find the assumption of a prime cause has repeatedly been shown totally false.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html
http://www.adamsmith.org/logicalfallacies/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/616394/posts
There will be entries common to all of them, and there are other sites as well, but these 4 will give you a good start.
by canoeguide on December 13th, 2011
Knowledge, and observation, traced from the dawn of time lead to inferences, and the inevitable conclusion of CAUSE by Intelligent DESIGN.
Fossil findings point to a spontaneous but ordered appearance of flora and fauna, this is not consistent with blind chance.
A unicellular organism has complex sequences of nutrition, sensory perception, reproduction and respiration.
This is consistent with life, and there is a steady progression of
complexity. The vast variety of plant and animal life contradicts
any notion of a non-intelligent CAUSE.
The BEGINNING of ALL lifeforms had Intelligent Input, at the start, the lifeforms have a great capacity of self-propagation, and self-preservation.
by TrueSeeker on December 17th, 2011
That whole reply is a matter of pure faith, with no proof at all. That is the way you believe it happened, but there is no evidence for it.
by Im Alec has abandoned this account on December 18th, 2011
TS still argues a priori and post hoc ergo propter hoc, both grievous logical fallacies. In plainer terms, those "arguments" have been falsified every time.
by canoeguide on December 18th, 2011
People, there's no point in arguing with TrueSeeker -.-
And 'Im Alec', when you fit two pieces together, you're left with a 998 piece jigsaw puzzle ;P Just saying.
by T4 on January 3rd, 2012
T4,
You're correct to a point; but it's useful to a few others to have the fallacious thinking brought to ground. The kindergarten-level stuff is easy enough to see through, but there are those windy, pseudo-scientific blatherings that need to be exploded. And logical fallacies by the truckload.
by canoeguide on January 3rd, 2012
It can be proven that Trinity is a fallacy, yet, the majority of those who profess Christianity believe this even when any accurately rendered Bible does not.
Similarly, the idea of Evolution is pre-Socrates, Darwin being rewarded for his 'refining' of this fallacy.
Post Darwin has seen further "refining" and many a Biology text has promoted this fallacy.
In fact, many disciplines have resulted from this fallacy with many projects being funded because of belief in this fallacy.
The conclusion, most persons are misled by the fallacy of Darwinism and/ or the fallacy of the Trinity.
This too, was predicted, as at 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4; 1 John 5:19;
Revelation 12:9, 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:9- 12.
by TrueSeeker on January 3rd, 2012
You make so bold as to ask a question of "anyone who truly understands science" and yet you show not the tiniest understanding of anything in these threads. Your every post violates the rules of rational discourse and your claims regarding matters scientific are uproariously wrong. Some on AB have posted your comments and those of certain nutters like yourself are as good as cartoons.
Different approach: I & II Timothy are forgeries. Titus is a forgery. III Thessalonians is a forgery. Non-Pauline material has been inserted into Acts. I & II Peter are forgeries. The opening portion of the gospel attributed to John does not exist in the earliest manuscripts. The tale of the woman taken in adultery doe snot appear in the earliest manuscripts. Get you own fragile house in order before you try huffing and puffing at those you know nothing of.
by canoeguide on January 3rd, 2012
Yawn. It is evident that you continue to place your trust and future in the hands of uninspired fallible men.
Why not even try to do research for yourself?
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible
by TrueSeeker on January 3rd, 2012
@canoeguide: I agree with you on the 'bringing to ground' bit. Oh and by the way, (kinda off topic), if you fit 2 pieces of a 1000 piece puzzle, there are total of 999 pieces all together. So what you said was partially true xD I just realized this a while ago and wanted to apologize for wrongly correcting you.
@TrueSeeker: Are you serious? o.o You think we're placing "our trust and future in the hands of uninspired fallible men"?! You think doctors, scientists, physicists and biologists are "uninspired fallible men"?!?! What is WRONG with you?!? They are the reason why our lives are so comfortable! They're the reason why people now have those few extra years to spend with their family when they get old! THEY ARE THE REASON YOUR LIFE IS THE WAY IT IS NOW! They toil endlessly to make YOUR life better! And you have the NERVE, the AUDACITY, to call them uninspired and fallible!??!
You, dear sir/madam, are being utterly immature! Your side of the argument is entirely based on quotes from a book! Now I will not make fun of you based on your beliefs. If you want to believe everything that somebody you've never met wrote thousands of years ago, then that is entirely up to you. I have no right to disparage you. But all I'm asking is that you reciprocate that common courtesy and leave those who do NOT share your views ALONE! If we want to believe something, we will do so at our own will. So BACK OFF!
by T4 on January 4th, 2012
My comment stands and is applicable to EVERYONE, even the site posted contain errors, such as the time the Jews were repatriated.
This occurred 70 years AFTER the destrcution of Jerusalem, and the exile of the Jews to Babylon, when Gedaliah was set up as representative governor by king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon i.e. 537 + 70 = 607 B.C.E.
As a medical professional, the importance of TRUST of patients with their healthcare provider cannot be overstated. Yet many errors do occur, some of which have been fatal. Allow me to list a few: wrong organ, limb removed, implement remaining post-surgery, wrong diagnosis, insufficient medical history taken resulting in fatal response to medication prescribed, etc, etc.
Due diligence needs to be observed by us all, in ALL endeavors. We
may find it prudent to get second opinions when these are warranted.
Interestingly, most persons who profess to be Christians, do not even have an accurate understanding of the Christ, nor the One who sent Him, YHWH/ JEHOVAH. John 3:16; 6:38; 8:42; 17:3; 20:17, 31.
by TrueSeeker on January 5th, 2012
Any claim that Christianity brings knowledge/enlightenment completely ignores the Christian Dark Ages.
by ErgoStep - Millionaire Websites on January 5th, 2012
Wrong again, the so-called Dark Ages were alluded to by various biblical texts, and Christendom itself is condemned in the Bible.
1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:9- 12; Daniel 12:4, 9, 10.
When Jesus the Christ was on earth, He shed the LIGHT of truth, as the Jews then were on a whole MISREPRESENTING the holy Writings.
Truth was eventually nearly totally lost a few years after the death of the last apostle.
From the third century to the ninteenth century, there existed possibly only small pockets of truth.
Truth is now steadily being spread all over the earth primarily by the Christian Witnesses of YHWH/ JEHOVAH.
http://www.jw-tube.com/videos/408/the-bible-accurate-history,-reliable-prophecy-part-1-of4
by TrueSeeker on January 5th, 2012
It is evident that no matter how much proof and evidence we throw at you, you're gonna respond with the same but differently worded spiel and some link nobody's ever gonna open attached at the bottom. Therefore, I've decided to not bother with you at all.
So, good day and I hope we never have a conversation again :|
T4
by T4 on January 5th, 2012
It sounds as if someone has a grudge against Christendom.
Knowledge and Wisdom are both considered gifts of the Holy Spirit. Are you saying the Holy Spirit was not active during the Middle Ages.
by ErgoStep - Millionaire Websites on January 5th, 2012